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    Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    when i was watching the BQL vid he seemed never be using MB on cd and even when all dots were up he would still use MF. not just that but it seems like he isnt specced into improved MB sice everytime he used it the skill had an eight second cool down.

    is there a reason for any of this or is this guy just bad?
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    Apparently with a certain amount of spell haste and 4pc t10 you drop MB from priority completely because MFspam does more dmg. I'm not a spriest specialist, don't quote me on it.
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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Horn
    Apparently with a certain amount of spell haste and 4pc t10 you drop MB from priority completely because MFspam does more dmg. I'm not a spriest specialist, don't quote me on it.
    yeah thhats kind of what came to my mind as well and if that's the case then i take back calling him bad.

    but if this is so how much haste does one need with the t10 4p bonus to make this change to your prioirity list
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    4pT10 + tons of haste.

    Player in question in Shin (in PVP gear right now). If you watch the video you'd note that his Mind Flay cast time is 1.7 without any haste procs/BL/etc. You'd find that the haste needed for this means you'd also reach the GCD cap. You're also right at the point where Mind Flay is higher DPET than Mind Blast depending on Spellpower. Considering Shin holds a lot of records for Shadow Priest DPS, you might want to rethink your analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmigo
    yeah thhats kind of what came to my mind as well and if that's the case then i take back calling him bad.

    but if this is so how much haste does one need with the t10 4p bonus to make this change to your prioirity list
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/class-pr...iest-4set-t10/

    Look through that, but pretty much in ICC later progression/end game gear, you'll be geared enough to drop MB completely. Although if you're the only one supplying replenishment in 10 mans, then dropping MB completely would be detrimental to your raid.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by fabian
    http://www.mmo-champion.com/class-pr...iest-4set-t10/

    Look through that, but pretty much in ICC later progression/end game gear, you'll be geared enough to drop MB completely. Although if you're the only one supplying replenishment in 10 mans, then dropping MB completely would be detrimental to your raid.
    yeah i know and im pretty sure that is the only erason he was dropping MBs since MF is the better choice for him now
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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    just another failure by blizz. MB goes from the #1 priority spell to off the list completely in less than one full expansion


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    Talented ability surpasses baseline ability, news at 11! The community has seen this coming for about a year now, it was just a question of if and when the haste amount could be reached. Enter 4pT10 and voila.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by harky
    Player in question in Shin (in PVP gear right now).
    You can see his PVE gear here (just click on the spec with the 'star' beside it). He's running at 1018 haste, so I'd assume the threshold after which dropping MB makes sense is somewhere below that.
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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    It's a mixture of SP and Haste. MF scales better with SP, so at a certain point it becomes worthwhile to just spam MF. Note that raid buffed Shin is also over 4k SP, which makes finding the right haste value pretty specific to an individual. I know several of our Shadow Priests have fully dropped MB as well, one dropped it at 1.2k haste, the other at 950, both saw DPS increases. The reason is that the one with 950 actually has more 264 gear, just worse luck with haste gear and no Dislodged. They both cast a single MB after each VT purely for Replenishment in 25s. In 10s, as I recall, they do not cast MB at all (one is in my group with a Ret Paladin, the other runs with our Destro Lock).

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    I myself am at the point where I only cast MB for repleneshment, or if i need to fill a global cooldown right before refreshing a dot. It doesn't take much beyond having 4pc 251 for MF to outdo MB assuming you're in a 25man raiding guild.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by harky
    4pT10 + tons of haste.

    Player in question in Shin (in PVP gear right now). If you watch the video you'd note that his Mind Flay cast time is 1.7 without any haste procs/BL/etc. You'd find that the haste needed for this means you'd also reach the GCD cap. You're also right at the point where Mind Flay is higher DPET than Mind Blast depending on Spellpower. Considering Shin holds a lot of records for Shadow Priest DPS, you might want to rethink your analysis.
    his mind flay casting in 1.7 is raid buffed or with black magic popped.

    i have 1215 haste from gear and my mind flay casts in 1.82.

    but the point is you dont need to use mind blast on cooldown anymore for max dps. using it occasionally when it is beneficial is still good , but you arent using it at the lowered cooldown anymore as a priority. So having 5/5 imp mind blast isnt as beneficial as it was before. You can take the points from imp mind blast and move them to horror or affinity or even pick up some other talents in disc if you so choose.

    personally i think im going to pick up horror and a few points in shadow affinity when i get around to respeccing. affinity for aoe packs and multi target dotting.
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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by jonish
    his mind flay casting in 1.7 is raid buffed or with black magic popped.

    i have 1215 haste from gear and my mind flay casts in 1.82.

    but the point is you dont need to use mind blast on cooldown anymore for max dps. using it occasionally when it is beneficial is still good , but you arent using it at the lowered cooldown anymore as a priority. So having 5/5 imp mind blast isnt as beneficial as it was before. You can take the points from imp mind blast and move them to horror or affinity or even pick up some other talents in disc if you so choose.

    personally i think im going to pick up horror and a few points in shadow affinity when i get around to respeccing. affinity for aoe packs and multi target dotting.
    would you happen to have the 4 p t10 bonus?

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by jonish
    his mind flay casting in 1.7 is raid buffed or with black magic popped.

    i have 1215 haste from gear and my mind flay casts in 1.82.
    The person in question is in a 25 man high end raid, of course it's raid buffed. Under the same conditions you'd be at 1.68.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElAmigo
    would you happen to have the 4 p t10 bonus?

    btw your sig is amazing
    yes , i have 4pcT10
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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by jonish
    yes , i have 4pcT10
    then im going to have to say it either when BM procs or its when she/he uses hyperspeed accelerators
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    he/she also has troll racial.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    To do this you need 800+ unbuffed haste. So in a raid with totems and aura you will be where you need to be haste wise. 3800 SP is how much SP you need, this sounds very high but easily obtainable in a 25 raid setting.

    If you fall below the haste criteria or the SP criteria but you still have t10 4pc, you can spam MF during heroism (with dots up) for a dps increase.

    Going from 4pc t10 with normal priority, to one without MB I gained ~800-1k dps.

    All numbers I have read from shadowpriest.com and in combination with personal experience.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrayne
    To do this you need 800+ unbuffed haste. So in a raid with totems and aura you will be where you need to be haste wise. 3800 SP is how much SP you need, this sounds very high but easily obtainable in a 25 raid setting.

    If you fall below the haste criteria or the SP criteria but you still have t10 4pc, you can spam MF during heroism (with dots up) for a dps increase.

    Going from 4pc t10 with normal priority, to one without MB I gained ~800-1k dps.

    All numbers I have read from shadowpriest.com and in combination with personal experience.

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    Don't listen to this, it's not that black and white... the haste and SP values change depending on the 5% & 3% haste availability as well as your expected lag/reaction time. For this reason there is no set value that can be applied to everyone... instead if you want to know what you theoretically can drop MB do some research. There is a thread both here and on shadowpriest.com that will tell you for your level of haste what nominal SP figure makes the spells equal. If thats too hard, the general rule is once you hit 4pc T10 you simply stop using MB. At the very worst you'll do the same DPS but due to the lessening of spell complexity you'll find it will give you a slight increase.

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    Re: Exodus' spriest priority list and spec

    Quote Originally Posted by Worshaka
    Don't listen to this, it's not that black and white... the haste and SP values change depending on the 5% & 3% haste availability as well as your expected lag/reaction time. For this reason there is no set value that can be applied to everyone... instead if you want to know what you theoretically can drop MB do some research. There is a thread both here and on shadowpriest.com that will tell you for your level of haste what nominal SP figure makes the spells equal. If thats too hard, the general rule is once you hit 4pc T10 you simply stop using MB. At the very worst you'll do the same DPS but due to the lessening of spell complexity you'll find it will give you a slight increase.

    With a raid put together with half a brain, and the homogenization of raid buffs, you will have both haste buffs. If you have both of these buffs you most likely will have the core SP buffs (plus food+flask). If you have t10 4pc within the past two weeks you should be in a level of raiding to have enough gear to make the bare minimum unbuffed reqs.

    You should read that I specified, it is only in a 25 man raid, I typically stick to the regular priority in 5 mans/10 mans for replishenishment until I can get enough gear to pull it of successfully with a lessser raid comp.


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