Is it viable to use a 3rd tank solely for vig taunting on beth 25h?

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We're having problems with getting spinners down and with a low melee setup we struggle to have the taunts required so raid damage is really high no matter what we try. Its a progress kill for us so with the last stage cosidered is it viable to use a dps to go prot purely to vig taunt spinners down to reduce raid damage and get us past that point.

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The more "normal" method would be to use a prot warrior to tank both spinners with viligence taunts + drones together on the bottom instead of whatever tank youre currently using down there. Long as your DPS paid attention to the drone and stayed behind it you would have no serious troubles with such a method and would mean you would not have to give up a DPS.

Would taking a third tank severly gimp you? Probably not as it would only be a very small raidDPS loss in p2 (and may actually make p1 much more secure thanks to the fact youll be able to hold both drone + all spinners on the 2 different tanks with only cleaving on spinners and not having to ever focustarget them if you had 2 tanks on bottom), it would also give you more tank cooldowns available to use in P2 and make the healing possibly slightly easier instead of harder during that phase.

So will a 3 tank solution work? Yes I see no reason why not.

Will it make the fight vastly simpler? No but from what it sounds like it may improve your attempts on the fight.

[Ozzy1346]

We're having problems with getting spinners down and with a low melee setup we struggle to have the taunts required so raid damage is really high no matter what we try. Its a progress kill for us so with the last stage cosidered is it viable to use a dps to go prot purely to vig taunt spinners down to reduce raid damage and get us past that point.

whats your settup?

we have hunters distracting shot on cooldown, boomkin go bear and taunt it even resto druids.

there is also a macro for shamans that puts on rockbiter, unleash elements taunts, and then goes back to whatever it may have been.

holy pally can taunt 2 at a time

3 tanks will kill your dps and is not worth it at all. your problem is people arent doing what they can do because they just dont want to it might hurt there dps or something stupid.

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we do have a prot warrior tanking drones but without a second tank down there won't vigilance not work with the range of the tank upstairs?

[Brusalk]

It still works.

[bals]

we do have a prot warrior tanking drones but without a second tank down there won't vigilance not work with the range of the tank upstairs?

it works fine.

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we do have a prot warrior tanking drones but without a second tank down there won't vigilance not work with the range of the tank upstairs?

It still works.

As above says, vigilance works between downstairs and upstairs tanks. If you have a protwar downstairs then you should have absolutely no trouble on taunting those spinners down.

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We had the drone tanked to the side, out of taunting range of the spinners. Should it be tanked more central or even kited for taunting of the spinners?

[Tehcheat]

if your ranged is good at killing spiderlings then tank the drone closer to the middle it works just as well, spiderlings die super fast especially if you have someone that is great at it. again depends on your comp really but most ranged can kill spiderlings quick enough

[BeingRepressed]

25 man you really shouldn't have any shortage of taunts. Hunters, shamans, warriors, DKs, druids and paladins can all taunt them down without any special spec.

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Not sure of your set up to be honest, but we only use 2 tanks. We use the following:-

DK Tank - Upstairs on boss (When webs needed, Death Grips 1 and Taunts another)
Warrior Fury - Upstairs on boss (Switches to Def Stance to Taunt when needing a web)
Holy Paladin - Upstair on boss

Prot Paladin - Tanking drone
Rogue - Dps the Drone
Shadow Priest - AoE on Spiderlings
Arcane Mage - Spinners only (Once all dead, switches to the drone)
Moonkin Druid - AoE Spiderling/Spinners/Drone (Where ever needed)
Resto Druid - Healing Prot Pally and group
Resto Druid - Healing Group

We also rotate a warlock in the group as well.

You only need 3 Taunts to get webs down for each time the 3 selected people need webs up. Spinners then just get nucked while in the air by ranged. In all our attempts our Pally Tank has never tanked the Spinners that do get taunted down has they die fast. The pally Tank always tanks the Drone in the SW corner of the raid arena as the spiderlings never spawn from there.

On the pull, taunt 3 spinners down and then tank spiderlings till dead. Then a drone pops and off tank grabs it, ensure no spiderlings ever get close as this can screw things up. Spinners can be solo'd by a Ranged if there dps is good, otherwise have 2 ranged on these. Always use a high AoE class on the spiderings and slow them when you can, get one of the spinners dps to help on these if needed. Always have a strong dps on the drone as they spawn once a minute and having 2 or more up puts a strain on healers. If dps is good, you should have spinners all dead before boss does her cast, at this point Nuke the drone before the next one spawns.

Do this three times and P2 starts, Just remember to always Kill the spiderlings before the boss drops down for P2 or she will eat one and screw it up. P2 is just simple burn phase, all group up behind boss for AoE heals, have the Off Tank stand 90 degree's to the right or left of the Main Tank. Just taunt at Widows Kiss and Nuke hard and its a kill, just remember when off tank taunts, reposition yourselves asap behind the boss in a group.

This fight will be a challenge if your group dps is low has this will put strain of the healers. We average around 20-25k dps for each dps in the raid so usually a oneshot for us. But as long as everyone does there role correctly and pays attention, you should get a kill.

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Short answer, no.
You really should have plenty of taunts.