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  1. #41

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Xevec
    Doesn't give a DPS increase? Oh ok, yeah, let us not put talent points in then. You know, because a 3% DPS increase is pretty worthless. That is glyph of arcane blast. A measly 3% increase to the debuff we get. In every serious raid I am in, it is required to flask and get buffs. If you translate that to 25 people, you get a lot better results. Or even raiding to get that new piece of gear that gives 30 spell power. Jeez, what a waste that is.
    well since you are incapable of reading let me make it REALLY clear so even someone like you can understand

    gems = permanent upgrade (ie they don't wear off)
    gear = permanent upgrade
    glyphs = permament upgrade
    talents = permanent upgrade
    enchants = " " (minus proc based enchants like black magic but math can give what the effective "constant" upgrade it gives)

    flask = not even a 1 hour upgrade (you don't fight the boss for the entire hour) of 180ap/45mp5/125sp for 50g. and the dps increase it does provide (for me on average 200-150dps which is 2.5% or less, 300dps is the best case senario) isn't worth the money you spend.

    a gem (which you can get for free to VERY low cost if you know a JC and have extra triumph badges, and who doesnt). gear doesn't cost you money, glyphs aren't anymore than 15g, talents are free, enchants are the most expensive thing on the market atm but even then they provide a permanent upgrade and they arent expensive.

    sorry if I believe in being a smart consumer and not just pissing money away on short buff that has no real impact on weather a boss dies or not or whether I run oom or what have you.

  2. #42

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Lets do some math. If everyone flasks and gets a 200 dps increase (Your number), assuming 15 dps in a 25 man raid thats a 3000 dps increase. 3000 dps over a 5 min fight - which is a very short fight compared to most in ICC - comes out to be 900,000 damage. How many times have you wiped with a boss having under a million health left? How is 900,000 extra damage done in 5 minutes not worth 40g per raider?
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  3. #43

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by volescue
    50% increase does not mean every other herb you get a frost lotus. For most herbs that means an increase from 5% to 7.5%.
    It also means that if you herb the same amount of time, you will get 50% more frost lotuses.

  4. #44

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Quote Originally Posted by Larivas
    Lets do some math. If everyone flasks and gets a 200 dps increase (Your number), assuming 15 dps in a 25 man raid thats a 3000 dps increase. 3000 dps over a 5 min fight - which is a very short fight compared to most in ICC - comes out to be 900,000 damage. How many times have you wiped with a boss having under a million health left? How is 900,000 extra damage done in 5 minutes not worth 40g per raider?
    I will agree with Larivas here. All serious progression guilds use flasks, buffs, and other things. If you speak of things not permenant, then there is no point to use buffs. You know, kings, wisdom, totems, etc. These things are temporary. And yes, they do cost money(reagents?) Many people go way out of their way for 2% DPS increases.

    But in relation to frost lotus, on my server, it is cheaper buying flasks than the mats. It has always been like that for the longest time. Increasing the drop rate won't harm herbalist's method of making money.

    Enchants don't need to be expensive either, it's called farming the mats.

  5. #45
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    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    i'm a herby alch on my main toon i dont see what the big deal is i fly around WG for 2hours (full pvp gear) and i pick up 5-6 FL easy make my flask i'm happy.

  6. #46

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    This is good news tbh... less time wasted fixing myself flasks for raids (yes, Im lazy - I make my gold with emblems of triumph - go figure how lol). And ofc 7.5% aint a drama at all, id even buff it up to 10% total tbh.
    Another thing is I recently went tank on my druid so dropped herbing for JC.

  7. #47
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    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    I'm actually thankful for this slight increase. I've been farming for about an hour to 2 a day and only been getting at least 2. This was a needed fix. Now I can spend less time farming, more on stuff that actually matters in my life.

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  8. #48

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    The best thing I heard in a while! now i can hang back and be lazy and not work so much to get alchemists to make flasks.
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  9. #49

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    What really makes me wonder is whether the price of Lichbloom will jumb in the first week (as lotus becomes more abundant and thus people will want to make more flasks) and then eventually go back down in pirce.....
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  10. #50
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    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Well considering that the flask prices have more than doubled since the new patch release, I think this needed to happen.
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  11. #51

    Re: New Frost Lotus Drop Rate

    Say hello to more affordable raiding.

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