Your worst experiences with the Dungeon Tool

**Vook** · 2011-07-15, 06:52 PM

Bumping this instead of creating a new thread. Giant post inc!

Just something I mentioned a few times before, finally found it in my chat logs. Boomkin(Explorer) and DK tank(The Patient) raging at the healer because they kept pulling while he was at 30% mana and drinking, then raging at me for apparently being a noob and pulling "low dps" on TRASH. It wasn't much lower than the boomkin, #2 still, and the boomkin seems to not know what combat ratings are, saying he pulled higher dps in 219 gear at 80. Yep, people are leveling above 80 and still that stupid.

Note that this was the day after cata launched, I was still in almost all ICC gear still, so of course my DPS wasn't superuberleet, especially because it was in 4.0.3 and spriest was underpowered.

It's people like this that make me wish WoW was rated M or even better, AO.

12/8 17:36:31.913 (DK) has died.
12/8 17:36:35.935 Limi has died.
12/8 17:36:36.330 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: pulling w/o the healer: bad idea
12/8 17:36:41.561 (DK) has died.
12/8 17:36:59.626 Your equipped items suffer a 10% durability loss.
12/8 17:37:00.421 (Healer) has died.
12/8 17:37:06.921 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: Wait .... not my fault the healer is supose to follow the tank
12/8 17:37:10.901 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: not doing your job and leaving = bad idea
12/8 17:37:15.044 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: can't follow when he's drinking

12/8 17:39:51.175 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: said plz

12/8 17:41:05.650 Stonecore Warbringer dies, you gain 4797 experience. (+33 exp Rested bonus, +1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:05.994 You feel normal.
12/8 17:41:06.846 Stonecore Sentry yells: Wake up you fools! We're under attack!
12/8 17:41:07.615 Stonecore Sentry yells: Invaders have breached the sanctum halls!
12/8 17:41:12.043 Stonecore Sentry dies, you gain 143 experience. (+41 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:14.077 Stonecore Sentry yells: Wake up you fools! We're under attack!
12/8 17:41:20.453 Stonecore Sentry dies, you gain 143 experience. (+41 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:25.283 Stonecore Warbringer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:47.778 Stonecore Warbringer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:51.775 Stonecore Warbringer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:57.018 Stonecore Magmalord dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:41:59.800 Stonecore Magmalord dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:42:05.030 Stonecore Rift Conjurer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:42:09.080 Your share of the loot is 31 Silver, 11 Copper.
12/8 17:42:10.654 You receive loot: Embersilk Clothx2.
12/8 17:42:10.654 You receive loot: Embersilk Clothx2.
12/8 17:42:15.871 Your share of the loot is 20 Silver, 99 Copper.
12/8 17:42:28.728 Stonecore Rift Conjurer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:42:28.728 You won: Wand of Dark Worship
12/8 17:42:29.527 You receive loot: Wand of Dark Worship.
12/8 17:42:37.149 Stonecore Rift Conjurer dies, you gain 4764 experience. (+1362 group bonus)
12/8 17:42:50.653 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: DRINK RETARD
12/8 17:42:51.139 (Boomkin) points at (Healer).
12/8 17:42:52.175 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (Healer)-Zangarmarsh: im grabbing more water 2 sec
12/8 17:42:55.394 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: OMG
12/8 17:42:59.778 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: LEAVE THIS SHIT DUDE
12/8 17:43:05.440 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: You fucking suck
12/8 17:43:06.965 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: O.o
12/8 17:43:10.480 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: u mad.
12/8 17:43:13.399 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: ;p
12/8 17:43:18.502 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: ohhh and you too sftu man
12/8 17:43:23.393 You roll on the floor laughing.
12/8 17:43:28.109 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: well it kinda suck getting slowed down by nobs
12/8 17:43:34.021 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: exact
12/8 17:43:38.957 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: x1 on this comment
12/8 17:44:04.114 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: like 245 cheast really ?? it doesent even have a set bonus
12/8 17:44:09.312 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: 37k mana....my pally lvl 80 have more than this
12/8 17:44:21.916 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: note: not everyone is in full icc heroic gear
12/8 17:44:29.906 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: and ? noob.
12/8 17:44:33.253 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: lol
12/8 17:44:50.010 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: im not in full icc heroic gear are you if you are well you suc ive been kicking your ass on every pull
12/8 17:44:56.992 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: LOLLL
12/8 17:44:58.632 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: PWNED
12/8 17:45:03.919 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: because dps on trash matters rite?
12/8 17:45:08.635 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: yeah
12/8 17:45:17.068 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: dps on every pull mater
12/8 17:45:21.161 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party Leader]|h (Boomkin)-Anvilmar: why wouldnt it i even kick your ass on boses
12/8 17:45:21.186 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h (DK)-Anvilmar: stupid bitch
12/8 17:45:23.908 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: lol
12/8 17:45:29.837 |Hchannel:PARTY|h[Party]|h Vook: stroke e-peen moar

Deleted · 2011-07-18, 07:24 PM

Oh the joys of Stonecore heroic. :P

Last time I went there I had to solo the first boss from 40%, while kiting around a ton of shards

(and yes this was after 2 wipes on higher percentages and me trying to explain what everyone should do to kill it multiple times)

We eventually managed to clear the instance, tho I haven't dared to do another Call-To-Arms heroic since.

**Dhurn** · 2011-07-18, 08:07 PM

Basically anytime a dpser is afk or needing on like every drop. "this player cannot be kicked for 2 minutes" "you cannot initiate votekicks in or shortly after combat" "this player cannot be kicked for 9 minutes" "you cannot initiate anymore votekicks" WTF

**Tziva** · 2011-07-18, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vook

Bumping this instead of creating a new thread. Giant post inc!.

You really should edit out all the irrelevant lines (loot, xp, NPC talk, etc); it would make the text a lot more readable.

**rademach** · 2011-07-19, 03:15 AM

My worst recent pug experience was in one of the troll heroics. The tank and I knew what we were doing but we got stuck with three dps from the same guild that had to be some of the worst players I've ever seen.

None of them knew any of the fights and pulled between 5-13k on boss fights. They didn't get do a single interupt or let a single cc run its course. We patiently explained each fight to these three dps and they didn't say much until we got to zanzil. The tank went down almost three minutes into the fight for some reason or another and they hadn't even gotten the large berserker add down yet. At this point the tank lost patience and asked why it took so damn long to kill an add. They immediately started spamming insults in caps about how the wipe was either the tanks fault or my own. My favorite was that it was our fault the fight took so long. Apparently when they normally run that instance the fight only takes about two minutes, and our tanking/healing stretched it out. The worst part was that through all their previous runs through the instance they hadn't learned how to execute a single fight properly.

As a tank I've had random dps start marking targets without saying anything and complaining about what a terrible tank I'd been. Someone else actually initiated a votekick on him before I could type in a reason.

---------- Post added 2011-07-18 at 08:43 PM ----------

Reading some more of these reminded me of another one. I had a pally tank with two guildies in the stonecore that couldn't figure out how to avoid groundslam. Turns out he didn't know when it was about to cast because he didn't have cast bars enabled. The run started with a skilled healer getting kicked from the group for calling out the dps for not doing their job on the first boss, so even after the two bad dps quit we couldn't initiate another kick.

Our fourth healer quit because the tank had less than 100k hp. Turns out he didn't realize all his gear was red. He refused to drop group, so when one of the dps left we convinced him to reque as dps. He checked the dps box but didn't uncheck the tank box, so we didn't get a new tank. When another healer left he qued as dps and didn't understand why we couldn't que as a group with four dps. I think we went through six or seven healers and I don't know how many dps during this run.

Over the course of the instance the tank had been mocking someone for pulling 6k dps. This was a time when people weren't geared, so 6k wasn't good but it wasn't too terrible. When we finally got a new tank and the old one went dps he wound up doing less than the person he was complaining about. We didn't let him forget about it.

He finally wound up lagging out right before the final boss and it let us initiate a votekick. I normally don't take pleasure in kicking someone, but this guy deserved it more than anyone else I've ever met.

**Affectionate** · 2011-07-19, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by Tayace

So i just left a heroic group that i joined half way through, apparently they'd been in there for 2 hours. They where all from the same Guild so i didn't bad mouth them about the fact that it was a 3 hunter and a disc priest group. However the trouble started when one of the hunters asked me to give them Blessing of Might. Now as a Paladin Tank i've always used Blessing of Kings unless there is a Druid in the group. I do this because Kings gives Stamina and Agility (Agility boosts dodge). So i told him this and he called me a noob. Now all 3 of these hunters where pulling around 6-7k with no 15% buff and still wearing 333 item level gear. While i'm pulling 8k and have an item level of 357. As we continued with the dungeon the healer started to complain that she could not keep her mana up. I told her thats because people are in the bad and the DPS is making the fight take to long. She chose to defend her guildies and said that if i was not a noob i would give her Might so DPS and mana Regen would go up. I finally gave her the buff and said that they need to learn there specs better if they have to rely on Might. When the Group wiped again to the last boss for the same reasons as before i just left group with them all blaming me for there troubles. I'm sorry but according to the Healing meters i did more self healing then the disc priest and more dps then the hunters so was i in the wrong to leave?Is Disc even an acceptable Healing tree?

First: Agility doesn't give dodge anymoreSecond: 10% ap is more dos than 5%enough agility. However 3hunters and not one is MM with trueshot is fail.Third: Disc is perfectly viable for healing any five man heroic.

**lopk** · 2011-07-19, 04:33 AM

My experiences have been pretty good because I usually just leave a group before problems erupt.

The worst thing that happened was on the trash before the last boss of Stonecore. He decided to pull both groups, and I, a druid healer, caught off guard by the huge damage was unable to heal him and we wiped. He then yelled at me for not keeping him up, me responding by saying that he shouldn't have pulled both. He then said I should have pre-hoted, to which I inquired why he pulled without any hots, and after that it was just a mess of arguments between the rest of the group.

I wanted to leave, but I sucked up my pride, healed through the last boss, made sure the tank died right before the boss went down and got cursed out by the tank.

Haha, not too bad, but whatever

**Jartius** · 2011-07-19, 07:08 AM

I did a ZG on my Frost DK alt,and the tank decided to tank Venoxis at the top of the stairs, long story short we wiped...

Like really,green gas=BAD!

**JustinLee** · 2011-07-19, 07:56 AM

Mine worst experiences with the dungeon tool sucks
That happened in a Heroic Gund run and i was on my main toon as the healer.
After the first boss was put down, i found the rogue was following me and he didn't do any damage.
So i started a vote to kick the rogue.
"Damn, which idiot want to kick my alt?" the pally tank said.
I responded with:"that u means u login on 2 toons and run the dungeon?"
Then I was kicked.

Deleted · 2011-07-19, 08:56 AM

I was tanking a run of HoO heroic a few days ago. Dps was quite low, no one chatting much, their first tank had left or been kicked after the first pack. All bad signs, but let's see how it goes. Get to the first boss, I tell people which way to drop down. Fight starts. Fight continues. Still haven't triggered first shield. Wow dps is terrible. Finally it goes up, I drop down to the left and gather up the snakes while the other guy gets the lever. I go to the other lever, no one there. I gather the snakes there too and wait for the first guy to pull the lever. He runs right past me and heads up the stairs. At that point I cut my losses and drop group, no way were 70 VP worth that much. Generally I just do Troll heroics now, group quality is sooo much better.

**Insemin8or** · 2011-07-19, 10:17 AM

Love these stories. I will contribute with my own.

Setting is Scholomance during WOTLK, me playing my resto druid alt.

In the big room after the summoners it starts. Tank is awful; the typical tunnel vision guy with zero situational awarness. He pulls a pack and holds aggro on 2 or 3 mobs while the rest of them go for me or the dps. Then the real stupidity begins. I'm down to 5-10% mana and somehow half the room after the summoners have been pulled, tank still holding 2 mobs while I have a bunch of casters attacking me with no time to break line of sight.

Mage: HEAL ME
Mage: HEAL FFS
Mage: HEAL HEAL HEAL
I look at his bars: 50% health , 50% mana
I dont even bother typing in the chat

We manage to survive, and chat goes on:

Tank: druid why you not heal ??
Mage: yea you should heal ffs
Me: Did any of you see that I was out of mana, not to mention there were 3+ mobs attacking me?
Me: Mage, why didn't you get sheep / kite / get them off me?

No reply

I notice most pulls are like this, so to not slow us down and drink after every pull I just keep the tank up and only heal the DPS when they are about to die, meaning I don't top everyone up after every pull. Mage rages:

(not in combat):
Mage: Heal me
Mage: heal
Mage: druid?
Me: eat
Mage: ???
Me: Food. It gives you health. Eat it.
Mage: FFS just heal me
Me: So you rather have mana break after every pull because you are being lazy?
Tank: Get more INT gear then
/facepalm IRL (I wasn't in crap gear either. Some heirlooms combined with dungeon and satchel drops, I probably had BiS-gear for my level

)

We go on downstairs and get into the Rattlegore fight. The first thing the mage does is to run in front of him and an add to block one of the golem cleaves with his face, killing him in seconds. At this point I just sit there and wonder wtf he is doing.

Mage: HEAL
Random DPS (has been quiet until now): lol useless healer
Tank: druid you must heal
Me:... you are ranged dps. The adds cleave. No one except the tank should be that close.
Rest of group: whatever just heal ok?

I should have left here, but I just wanted to see how far this could go.

We go on and start killing the mini bosses (mage standing in green gas in the room with the viewing room door, again screaming for heals). We enter Malicia's room, and tank manages to body pull two groups. Tunnelvisionboy picks up two mobs, while the rest of them (5 mobs) are attacking me. I die pretty fast. Needless to say it's a wipe. Chat goes:

Tank: Why didn't we get any heals this time?
("This time". I've been keeping this subpar group from wiping every pull)
Me: Are you kidding? (for a second there I actually thought he was)
Mage: healer sucks
Me: I was dead because noone bothered to get the mobs off me
Mage: dont pull aggro then
Me:.....

That's when I left. I check recount, the mage is on 30+% damage taken. I nerd cry a bit inside.

Deleted · 2011-07-19, 10:31 AM

I was in ZA yesterday where the tank had a strange idea about priorities... we got up to second last boss (forgot his name), I hexed the add on the left, he put an X on the other add and a Skull on the boss. I attack the second add like everyone usually does and he complains about it telling me to attack the boss =o (we didn't have anyone to CC it) healer complained saying that I should kill it anyway and then move to the boss. Add dead, refreshed hex on other add and killed the boss. Tank still complained though and he got kicked.

**announced** · 2011-07-19, 10:46 AM

joined a ZA run at the dragonhawk boss. old tank leaves. new tank joins. its a DK.

fight starts. the dk tank isnt aoeing or tanking any of the adds. jan gets to 50% and summons all adds.
dk throws down DND and doesnt use any cds for the 100 dragonhawks attacking him. ( i happen to frost trap+ md the hawks just before) he dies in 2 seconds.
tank"Fken healer why didnt u heal me?"
me: DK u needa learn to use ur Cds so u wont get 2shotted.
tank:STfU I BEEN USING CDS!
me: obviously not or u wouldnt die so fast.
tank: ... I DONT NEED A hunter tELLING ME HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS
me: lol

2nd time on the fight~
other dps die
i live
the dk lives with 10k hp
healer dies
and the fight ends ~ everyone gets mass res'd

i decide to check the dks talents: see hes specc'd into so many wrong talents and he has "mending" on his 2h weapon.
me: dk ur spose to use swordshattering on ur weapon not mending
other dps :rofl U dumbass dk learn ur toon.
dk: STFU FUCKING MAGE I JUS GOT THIS WEAPON OK?
me: then why is it enchanted already with mending if u just got it?
at this point im laughing so hard at this dumbass dk.

me: dk im jus trying to give u help so ur not bad ok?
dk: &**** U HUNTER AND ***** U MAGE I KNOW HOW TO PLAY MY CLASS!

~we get to halazzi * dk doesnt pull him outta the healing totem.
fight lasts an additional 6 mins.

next fight~ hex lord malacrass.
dk dies on his siphone'd green DND.
me laughing: dk u are so bad
dk: FUCK U NOOBS **** THIS. * dk leaves*

and we get another tank and finish the dungeon easily.

**Scream And Fly** · 2011-07-19, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Tavin

Waaaaaaay to many times that someone joins the instance, goes afk and probably knows that it will take 15 min before we can kick them. 4 out of 7 times it was the tank that went afk.

This. Too many tanks have the "I can do whatever I want and you'll have to take it" attitude. Annoying as heck.

**Kurgosh** · 2011-07-19, 11:25 AM

Running ZA on my tank - join in progress, right before the first boss (worrisome). It becomes very quickly clear when the first boss takes like 4 or 5 minutes to die that we're not doing a fast run. Ok, no problem. (We got the boss, after all, how bad could this get?) Slow down, start marking for CC and kill orders. We get to the trash pack that jumps down from the ledge in front of the bear boss (first pack after the boss, in fact). I mark them and pull. One gets healer aggro before I land a hit on it after I miss my shield. Healer manages to panic and run back, pulling the 2 mob pat. Crap. I've _almost_ got it under control but I'm running out of CDs when the hunter decides to disengage away. Right into the bears - promptly we wipe. Ok, ouch. It happens though, right? People accidentally aggro multiple groups.

Heading back in, the healer's in the lead, mounts up, rides right into the pat. Panics again, flees back into the group. I try to pick them up, but at half health with no CDs or buffs and the healer madly riding his mount back the other direction, it does not go well. We wipe.

Make it to the bear boss without further incident. Miraculously they managed the final trash pack before the boss, even. Explain the fight. They fail to rotate charge targets, and we wipe. Explain again, with the pointed example of _why_ it has to happen that way. Doesn't help. We wipe again. I don't know why, but to this point I haven't bailed. I mention that my shield is low on durability, and ask if anybody has a repair bot (they don't) so I teleport out of the instance to repair. They vote-kick me almost instantly. Can't say I was brokenhearted.

Deleted · 2011-07-19, 04:09 PM

A lot of these stories remind me of some fancy psychology theory I read about. Basically some people with low intelligence not only are bad at certain tasks, but they lack the ability to *realise* that they're bad. That's probably why you get all those people so eager to blame others for their own poor performance.

**Ryme** · 2011-08-01, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by Arteous

it's reading stuff like this that makes me happy that over 1/2 the player base of wow will cry like newborn children when 4.0/cata goes live ... it's too hard to level waaah .. there are too many mobs we can't aoelolfreebadgepics waaaahhh.

i'll be so happy reading the forums then.

Originally Posted by Ajhad

I agree can't wait to see them cry and from what Blue Posts are looking like right now the future looks good for skilled players =P

I feel a new signiture combo in the works...

OT: Had a prot warrior come in today without a shield to SFK heroic claiming he needed to use a two hander for extra dps.
A prot paladin replaced him and on the poison boss, despite the healer screaming "RUN!!!" just stood there and said after we wiped, "I ran out as far as I could, where did you want me to go?"
I dropped group and went to get some water and aspirin.

**Ceria** · 2011-08-02, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by JustinLee

I responded with:"that u means u login on 2 toons and run the dungeon?"
Then I was kicked.

To be fair you deserved to be kicked just for talking like that.

**toxicdinos** · 2011-08-03, 08:28 AM

I like doing normal dungeons with my holy pally for quick JP. I actually enjoy pugging and never leave a group even if the tank/dps may be bad, I suck it up and wait for them to leave and then just requeue. I enjoy healing, even if I am healing people that are doing something wrong. My job may be harder but is still enjoyable.

One time I queued and got Tol'Vir with a DK as the tank. I noticed that his health is dropping fairly quickly but just shrug it off since I could still easily keep him up. It was normal and I just figured that his gear was probably not that great, the problem was that he couldn't hold aggro. I used to DK tank back in wrath and knew what he was doing wrong but decided to wait to see if he was just a beginner or a bad.

The hunter in our group however, noticed that there was something iffy about the tank as well and proceed to gear inspect him. He asked the DK what was wrong with his gear and that of course made me curious. The DK responded with a "I know my gear sucks but I'm working on it!" The hunter the proceeds to post the DK's gear in chat, which is a mix-matched of int gear, dps gear and a couple of tanking pieces.

The thing is that, I didn't care about throwing a couple of extra heals on the tank because of his crappy gear, I was just annoyed over the fact that he couldn't even hold aggro, which is fairly easy as a DK tank. My response to all this was "I don't care if you have crappy gear, as long as you can hold aggro I could care less."

We get to the first boss and I don't remember if we wiped once or not but in the end we downed him fairly quickly and then the DK left.

The hunter response was. "I wonder if he left because he was embarrassed."

I lol'd in real life.

**SilkforCalde** · 2011-08-09, 07:46 PM

Healed several heroics on my freshly 85 paladin last night and I've come to one conclusion:

Healing a DK tank in epics is harder than healing a warrior / paladin in greens and a druid in blues. Seriously. I refuse to heal DK tanks now. Absolutely ridiculous. Either the class is changed or all the good tanks gave up on DK tanking, because this is impossible. A pull that would require, say, 10k heals per second with a warrior tank will take 20k heals per second with a DK tank, almost all on the tank, and he'll still die even with the most mana intensive, cooldown blowing healing spam. He'll still die in less time than a single cast. He'll die when I started a Divine Light at 100%, before the Divine Light finishes casting. It's frustrating and it got me kicked out of one group last night, only to requeue, get a warrior tank, and finish Zul'Gurub in 15 minutes, no lie. A run where I actually almost fell asleep it was so easy to heal.

To all of you guys that play DK tanks... why? Your class was not made for tanking. Blizzard messed up. You guys are the squishiest nightmare to heal imagineable. I'd rather heal a ret paladin with Righteous Fury on.

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