View Poll Results: What do you think of the upcoming 7-day cooldown on making a Glacial Bag?

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  • Silly: There are currently enough 22-slot bags available in-game to make this unnecessary.

    105 46.05%
  • Serious: Bags are the biggest moneymaker for tailors, this was a long time coming.

    60 26.32%
  • I'm not a tailor or I do not have an opinion on the subject.

    63 27.63%
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    Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    When I saw the upcoming change in 3.3.3 (repeating, of course?) to Glacial Bag and it receiving a hefty 7-day cooldown, at first I didn't think much of it. Then I started to think of how many other 22-slot bags are currently available in-game.

    Sartharion
    Onyxia
    Papa's Brand New Bag (heroic Forge of Souls)
    "Gigantique" Bag
    Portable Hole (24-slot bag, also sold by Haris Pilton)

    This is also not counting that some people may use 32-slot profession bags, which if you're like me and a serious mats whore, save tons of bag room.

    So with the list being at 5, none of which come from a difficult encounter, do you think the cooldown on Glacial Bag crafting was necessary or silly? Feel free to voice opinion in a post, as well.


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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Kind of silly at this time. It's been a while since we have been able to make it, why do it now? And with the amount of easy to obtain large slot bags there are, what was the point?

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Not really needed, could of been saved for the expansion but will give tailors a good money making skill now

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    They took the cooldowns off of all of the cloths. It's not like you were able to make Glacial bags that often anyway since you were restricted by cloth cooldowns. Nothing much has changed honestly in regards to Glacial Bags.

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystal
    They took the cooldowns off of all of the cloths. It's not like you were able to make Glacial bags that often anyway since you were restricted by cloth cooldowns. Nothing much has changed honestly in regards to Glacial Bags.
    This, they dont want a flood of the bags now that the cooldown of the cloth is off, i dont see why this would be something to get angry about however

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krystal
    They took the cooldowns off of all of the cloths. It's not like you were able to make Glacial bags that often anyway since you were restricted by cloth cooldowns. Nothing much has changed honestly in regards to Glacial Bags.
    Oh, I didn't know that, I thought it was just that you were able to make cloth anywhere.

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsyke
    This, they dont want a flood of the bags now that the cooldown of the cloth is off, i dont see why this would be something to get angry about however
    That's a good point, one that I honestly hadn't thought about.

    However, that being said, let's also remember that the mats for the bag were never that large to begin with, and most people generally sell their cooldowns to others. The last time I used my Moonshroud cooldown for myself was about two weeks into ICC, when I made the last two pieces of cloth I would eventually need for the crafted boots.

    So the fluctuation of income from selling cloth cooldowns to selling one bag a week seems like an overall decrease in economic income for servers.

    Mats for cloth: Bolt of Imbued Frostweave (mats: one stack of Frostweave, 2 Infinite Dust), 2 Eternal Life, 2 Eternal Shadow (each)
    Mats for bag: Moonshroud (4), Ebonweave (4), Frozen Orb

    Now, estimating that for a specialty cooldown a person will tip anywhere from 25-50g, that's 100-200g in economic value for cooldowns, plus (if buying all the required mats) an estimated (based on current minimum AH prices on my server only) that's about another 210-230 gold. Now, since cloth cooldowns are on 4-days, that means you can average about 3 1/2 cooldown in a two week period. That means that in a 14 day period, economic flow is around 1.085 gold (based on minimum estimations).

    I use a two week timer because the math is easier. Therefore, that being said, this means that a Glacial Bag now on a 1-week timer would have to sell for approximately 500 gold to keep economic flow stable, as the following prices will fluctuate in the patch.

    Eternals: decrease, can be bought with Frozen Orbs
    Tips: decrease, no cooldown on cloth means reduced possibility for high tips, and possibly reduced chances for tips as well
    Frozen Orbs: increase, as these can now buy eternals, Frost Lotus, ect.
    cloth: uncertain, removal of cloth cooldown may decrease value, odds are will stay stable
    Infinite dust: will stay stable, no necessity for a lower price due to removal of cloth cooldowns

    As you can see, economic estimation shows that most of the required mats and miscellaneous income developed from making Glacial Bags will be lowered. Now, this also takes into account the fact that, as previously stated, 22-slot bags are not exactly rare or difficult to aquire through non-crafted means.

    Therefore, the cooldown on the Bag can only result in two possibilities. Either a. 22-slot bags that will sell for approximately 500 gold. Or b. bags that will be worthless to the community, thus greatly deteriorating the overall economic value of several items (not limited to the tailoring profession).

    I could personally see a 4 day cooldown being a bit more reasonable, as the cloth cooldown of 4 days is being removed. However, a 7 day cooldown to me seems a bit lengthy given the overall economic ramifications and potential necessity.

    Thus why I used the term "silly". I'm certainly not angered at all by the change, but I am always curious to see what others think of such matters.

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsyke
    This, they dont want a flood of the bags now that the cooldown of the cloth is off, i dont see why this would be something to get angry about however
    20 slot bags are not exactly difficult to get the materials for, nor cost that much but still people are desperate for the dropped ones of that size.
    Availibility does not always mean people will buy them.
    It is still a large amount of materials I feel and really an unecessary cooldown.
    Blizzard seem to have only just realised that giving two of the gear crafting professions cooldowns on major materials was a problem, but they then introduce another instead.
    Several people made a nice income from tailoring due to the specialist cloth crafting and now that option is removed the bag might have been the best option for an alternative short of very desirable patterns such as those from ICC which are even themselves becoming commonplace.
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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amuno
    Kind of silly at this time. It's been a while since we have been able to make it, why do it now? And with the amount of easy to obtain large slot bags there are, what was the point?
    They are doing it because they are removing the cloth cooldowns which will significantly lower the mat costs needed to make one.

    I guess Blizzard doesn't want 22 slot bags to become mainstream, which is kind of a downer.
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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by nwo
    They are doing it because they are removing the cloth cooldowns which will significantly lower the mat costs needed to make one.

    I guess Blizzard doesn't want 22 slot bags to become mainstream, which is kind of a downer.
    That's why I have 24 slot ones

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Since moonshroud will be a lot cheaper with the frozen orbs and no cooldown this will have to be here or the bags will be sold at a very low price
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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    i understand why they did it, though there is no reason the bags shouldn't be easier to get, i mean if u don't have at least 4 22 slot bags already, wtf are u doing? i also feel that 7 days is a bit...much. i feel that 3 days would be more reasonable.

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    im a 450 tailor and making bags is a big waste of gold. the bags selling around 500-650g on my server, the mats cost about 150g each(spellweave is like 200g). i just make the cloth then sell them on the AH

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by raming7
    im a 450 tailor and making bags is a big waste of gold. the bags selling around 500-650g on my server, the mats cost about 150g each(spellweave is like 200g). i just make the cloth then sell them on the AH
    How is 500g profit a waste?

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Think about it this way,
    Say you didn't buy others cooldowns and only used your own, and were not specced into ebonweave or moonshroud.
    It would take you about 16 days (3day 20 hr cd) to make one bag yourself.

    The way i see it is they removed the cd from making the cloth for the crafted gear and such, while they put a cd on the bag that will still be shorter than it was previously assuming you crafted it yourself.
    The cd was put in so it wouldn't flood the market, not that I see that as an issue, i could care less.

    Just pointing out the logic behind it :-X

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    cant let tailors make any money! that'd be ridiculous after taking away the cds which were their only real profit

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vashta
    How is 500g profit a waste?
    The person you quoted didn't say 500g profit, but that the bag sells for 500g. Considering 1 bag takes 4 Moonshroud and 4 Ebonweave this would mean that you would have to buy the cloth required for 62g each to make profit.

    If the cloth sells for more than 62g then
    a) You would not make profit from buying the cloth on the AH
    b) If you were making the cloth yourself then it would be more profitable to sell the cloth on the AH instead of making bags with them!

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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    I'm not sure I like the way the poll goes. The system is there to prevent the frozen orb changes from making 500-600 gold bags crash to a rediculous price. takes about a week to make one now, nothing will really have changed, except that you'll have enough specialty cloth to make up the difference in sales you imagined you'd lose in the first place.

    I think the cd should be something like 3-5 days, not a week. But meh, they have their reasons.
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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    With the likely price plummet on eternals, and the huge amount of cloth then I don't think the money would have been in crafting the bags to sell, but instead crafting them for the materials and fee, which is exactly what we are likely to do now with the cloth.
    Due to a reputation requirement for the pattern then I still could have seen a decent fee being payable for it, so making it a 7 day cooldown is unecessary.
    5g per cloth crafting, and 10g for specialised is not unrealistic, nor is something like 20g to craft the bag so what does it matter if the price of the finished bag drops if we make the money by crafting to demand.
    We cannot even sell 20 slot bags easily anymore, let alone 22 slots so making that even harder is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Poll: Glacial Bag cooldown, silly or serious?

    8 Slots, crazy. Wait a few months and get 24 bags. Problem solved...

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