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    Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Been wondering for a while now, can't find it at all anywhere, not even elitistjerks.com, but:

    What is the hit cap for Duel-wield Death Knight Frost Tanks?

    For Nerves of Cold Steel on the Frost tree does it bring down the hit cap since it is 3% or is it added into it?
    (ex. I don't have Nerves of Cold Steel and hit cap is 8% and I have 3% hit. I put in Nerves of Cold Steel, does my hit cap go down to 5% or does my hit go up to 6%?)

    Should I gem in Dodge?
    My dodge rating right now is 29.23% with two gems of +20 Dodge.

    Also, my Parry is 22.27%, is that two low? Should I gem in that?

    What is the Expertise cap for me? Right now it is 28/28.

    Should my Crit Chance be higher? 5.27% Now.

    My two weapons Rimefang's Claw (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=50268) with speed of 1.70 and Peacekeeper Blade (http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=47500) with speed of 1.50 are what I am using. Rimefang's Claw is in my main hand, Peacekeeper Blade in Off-hand. Are they good weapons to tank with? Should I have slower or faster weapons?

    On both my weapons I have Rune of Nerubian Carapace for +13 Defense and +1% Stamina each.
    But I am also over Defense cap with 563 Defense, should I switch one or both of the enchants on my weapons to Rune of Sword Breaking with +2% Parry and Disarm Effect's Reduced by 50%?

    If I put Rune of Sword Breaking on both of my weapons would the Parry and the Disarm Effect reduction stack so my Disarm Effects Reduction would be 100%?



    If anyone could answer those questions it would be greatly appreciated, fairly new tank here.

    By the way, if you could look at my armory and point out some other stuff I would love it.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...an&cn=Zatheyll

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    NO... NO. NO NO NO... HELL NO.

    Ditch the tank weapons, NOW. DPS Weapons, slow DPS weapons. 2.50+ Speed. Don't gem anything other than stam unless you're activating a meta socket.

    Keep Nerbuian Carapace, the 2% Stam convers to 1% Dodge, Parry and Miss that isn't subjected to DR.

    Your gear seems fine to me right now, parry is good, dodge is good, ditch the tank weapons and you should be wonderful.

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by Roxix
    NO... NO. NO NO NO... HELL NO.

    Ditch the tank weapons, NOW. DPS Weapons, slow DPS weapons. 2.50+ Speed. Don't gem anything other than stam unless you're activating a meta socket.

    Keep Nerbuian Carapace, the 2% Stam convers to 1% Dodge, Parry and Miss that isn't subjected to DR.

    Your gear seems fine to me right now, parry is good, dodge is good, ditch the tank weapons and you should be wonderful.
    Do you know what weapons I can get in a short period of time? Or what heroics/bosses? I really don't know where to get some and I need to get weapons now or i'll be tanking ICC10 with those two weapons tonight. >.<

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Also.

    Whats the hit cap and the expertise cap for me?

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50191 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50303 are two very good choices, both drop from heroics though so http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49827 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49840 are more farmable, especially since they both drop from HoR normal.

    Hit cap for Dual wielding and assuming you have Nerves of Cold Steel will be 5% for yellow attacks, expertise soft cap is 26, I don't know much about DK tanking though, so I'm not sure if it's worth going for hard cap or not.
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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by Zatheyll
    Do you know what weapons I can get in a short period of time? Or what heroics/bosses? I really don't know where to get some and I need to get weapons now or i'll be tanking ICC10 with those two weapons tonight. >.<
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50303 from HHoR Litch King Escape
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50191 from HFoS Brojahm

    Also above poster is incorrect, the +defense on Nerubian Carapace converts to Miss/Dodge/Parry, but it is on the DR. Expect to see your avoidance and stamina go down, but not by much, your single target threat should go up by 20% at least. Nerubian carapace will almost always be preferred over sword-shattering, sword shattering gives better avoidance, but 1% stam should never be overlooked.

    Lastly, DKs SHOULD NEVER GEM PARRY. Before diminishing returns parry and dodge have the same avoidance per rating, but parry diminishes almost twice as fast as dodge. Thing is Forceful Deflection gives every DK so much parry rating that they would never be able to make parry rating worth gemming, you've already gone too far on the DR for there to be much avoidance left.
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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Most has been covered already tbh, dont worry to much about hit, ICC tank gear is loaded with the shit,

    as for expertise, for DW its pretty much as much as you can get. knock yourself out.

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Melee Special hit cap is 5%. Any hit above 5% up to 17% will help spell such as IT, HB, or Taunts (also will help you melee white swings)
    Expertise soft cap is 26% like all other melee, but since you are Dual Wield having more then 26 has benefits to threat.

    Slow weapons it both hands IS the way to tank. The avoidance/stam gained from fast tanking weapons is not worth the 20% loss of threat.

    Bloodvenom Blade from Heroic ICC25 is your best tanking weapon.

    If you need more information on weapons to get, click here
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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Thank you everyone for all the help, answered all my questions.

    But if anyone else has anything else to add, feel free, always up for more info. :P

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fornaw
    Also above poster is incorrect, the +defense on Nerubian Carapace converts to Miss/Dodge/Parry, but it is on the DR. Expect to see your avoidance and stamina go down, but not by much, your single target threat should go up by 20% at least. Nerubian carapace will almost always be preferred over sword-shattering, sword shattering gives better avoidance, but 1% stam should never be overlooked.
    Actually he was perfectly right.
    Nerubian Carpace (and SSG for that matter) are off the DR, since they provide defense SKILL and not rating. In fact, they provide slightly more health and avoidance than SSG, since the 1% adds multiplicatvely resulting in 2.1% more stamina. and 1 defense SKill more.

    tl;dr: 2x Nerubian Carpace ALWAYS provides 3% avoidance (1% Miss/Dodge/Parry) since it is calculated after DR.

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Zao brings up a good point that is often over looked from Nerubian Carpace. You will get the best EH from having Nerubian Carpace on both weapons.
    If you want more information none of us should try to reinvent the wheel. http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f14/5...t-tanking.html is the best DK tanking resource I've been able to find.

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    Re: Questions on Death Knight Duel Wield Frost tanking and stats...

    Thanks for all the info ;D

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