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  1. #201

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Hey there Mihir, I'm feeling pretty confident about my gear, gem mand enchant choices right now but I want to as k about the the future. Here is mmy armory : http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...lrogg&n=Jernau.

    Now, as you can see i'm going for the hard-cap. My question is this: with access to only 10 man content and first four bosses of ICC 25, what should I go for next? My plans were to go for:

    Recovered Scarlet Onslaught Cape (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50470)
    Cat Burgler's Gloves (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50982)
    Hersir's Great Spear (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=51022)
    Wodn's Lucky Necklace (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50452)

    This along with (hopefully) another tier token would put be very close to the hard-cap with ArP food. Where should I go after this though? I can't really see much to do if/when I get all of that sorted.

  2. #202
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Quag
    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...hadgar&cn=Quag

    Im coming reasonably close the the armpen hardcap but have fallen slightly under the hit cap. Thinking about regemming my boots to agi/hit gems
    Just get rid of any orange gems and gem full arpen. Especially for the last few 100 arpen towards the hardcap, it's a lot more valuable than any other stat including hit or expertise rating. You're only at 66% crit raidbuffed so getting rid of a few % hit/expertise won't hurt you that much.

  3. #203

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shindi
    I start my fight with Pounce (obvioiusly) then I go Mangle SR Rake Shred shred 5point rip rake shred SR shred shred rake Rip and FB between the times I got all bleeds and SR up and 5cp but I dont use mangle if I have arms warrior or feral tank cause I dont think mangle is needed to use wonder if that has anything to do with it? and No I dont have any of trinkets above I was in toc 25man and Deaths verdict dropped and man I was like soo close on ninjaing it cause I wanted it xD

    Also I'd like to thank you for responding to my comment
    NP :^

    Tbh i'd would say dont bother with pounce in your rotation, do faerie fire instead then go mangle sr rake shred to 5 rip. The only time i ever use pounce is in pvp or in a duel when a rogue or dps warrior is being annoying
    How often and when are you using FB during a raid? For me its best to use only when berserk is up, even then i only do it once or twice so it doesnt throw my rotation off. If you're doing FB quite often that could be your dps loss - trying to fb but allowing rake mangle rip sr to fall off in the process. Do you use any cooldown addons? Recently switched back to xperl after a few years and I <3 the big debuff option.

    I havnt been arp softcapped for a few weeks & when i check your armory it shows a mix of dps and tank gear. Did you makeup those 2 arp to hit 722 for needle encrusted scorpion to proc to hardcap?
    If you have a feral tank in the raid or a warrior whos keeping trauma up their is no need to mangle, keep up rake sr rip and go to to town with shred crits :P

    You were using nes and banner, correct? See if you can get a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44253 off of the ah for rather cheap, or a trinket with equal or greater agi / crit; after all http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47115 is basically a dmc: greatness card buffed for 3.2 minus the 90 agi.
    Quote Originally Posted by 25165453757
    I am excite

  4. #204

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Herro there. Recently I switched my main from a holy paladin to a feral druid to fill guild needs.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...rrosh&cn=Ohtee
    ^that's my kitty^ (I got dbw last night yey)

    What would you change about my spec/gear? I know i've got glyph of mangle. We don't always have a arms warrior or feral tank in the raid

    "Scientists explore what is; engineers create what has not been." -Theodore Von Karman

  5. #205

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    No advice?

  6. #206

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Epoch
    NP :^

    Tbh i'd would say dont bother with pounce in your rotation, do faerie fire instead then go mangle sr rake shred to 5 rip. The only time i ever use pounce is in pvp or in a duel when a rogue or dps warrior is being annoying
    How often and when are you using FB during a raid? For me its best to use only when berserk is up, even then i only do it once or twice so it doesnt throw my rotation off. If you're doing FB quite often that could be your dps loss - trying to fb but allowing rake mangle rip sr to fall off in the process. Do you use any cooldown addons? Recently switched back to xperl after a few years and I <3 the big debuff option.

    I havnt been arp softcapped for a few weeks & when i check your armory it shows a mix of dps and tank gear. Did you makeup those 2 arp to hit 722 for needle encrusted scorpion to proc to hardcap?
    If you have a feral tank in the raid or a warrior whos keeping trauma up their is no need to mangle, keep up rake sr rip and go to to town with shred crits :P

    You were using nes and banner, correct? See if you can get a http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44253 off of the ah for rather cheap, or a trinket with equal or greater agi / crit; after all http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47115 is basically a dmc: greatness card buffed for 3.2 minus the 90 agi.
    Aye I was tanking something today and I prolly logged off with my "tanking" gear ;P and yeah I do FB quite often actually sometimes I loose a a debuff cause of it but I like the big crits :-[ well gotta stop doing that and I got no special debuff addon I think I downloaded badkitty or what its called :P for debuff

  7. #207

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Shindi
    Aye I was tanking something today and I prolly logged off with my "tanking" gear ;P and yeah I do FB quite often actually sometimes I loose a a debuff cause of it but I like the big crits :-[ well gotta stop doing that and I got no special debuff addon I think I downloaded badkitty or what its called :P for debuff
    Dont necc have to stop, switch from fb to rake x2 --> savage roar --> berserk --> swipe spam - before sr falls off refresh and repeat should be good for around 12k+ dps - hit 56,000 a while back on freya trash in uld good times As long as you have an addon where you can monitor your cooldowns, you are good to go. I like xperl for the big debuffs because you can move your target anywhere on your screen as well as controlling the size of your debuffs.
    Quote Originally Posted by 25165453757
    I am excite

  8. #208

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    probably should sticky this tbh

    The Moonkin Repository
    Moonkin forums for beginners and experienced players alike
    Moonkin TTT Thread with Wrathcalcs
    Check it out, good stuff in there

  9. #209

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    So Mihir, I have two questions.
    The first one is when is it a dps gain to gem for hard cap? I'm just starting to get icc gear so I have 15 gem slots and 729 arpen (I went for the soft cap) and right now I just use 2 slots for agility and 2 for agility+crit. If I gem purely arp I'd be 809, is that good? Where's the breaking point?
    The second one is if it's ok to clip. I had a warlock, you couldn't clip because it's like losing a filler in the rotation and wasting that last tick. But in the feral "rotation" there's no filler, there is and will be times when you just do white damage. So in order to be able to manage everything there are sometimes that I just have to clip! But what to clip? Is it so bad? If so, why?

    To keep the spirit of the guide here goes my armory, don't be to harsh on this feral noob
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...e+Peak&cn=Spad

    Great topic btw

  10. #210

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Hey would just like a quick advice, ive gathered 4part t10 finaly.
    so next in line is either HWT or Vengeful Noose, thing is im currently on 942 ARP+ an arp trinket witch is kinda waste.
    reason i was aiming for HWT first is due to the hit i will loose from getting Vengeful Noose.

    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47302
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49950
    got those laying around aswell.

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...rub&cn=Nexaddo
    Keep in mind this is just an alt so not really got access to any 25man stuff past Sarufang, if i even get that far each week :P

    edit:fixed a few typos :P

  11. #211

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread


  12. #212
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by utter
    Howdy sir,

    hope you can help me out (once more?) with a conundrum. I was happy with my 10man gear, solid on the ArPen softcap, tapping the crit cap untill yesterday my stars changed as I got my /roll to Deathbringer's Will, in a pug nonetheless!

    I ran RAWR to optimize and it kinda made me feel weird.
    - By dropping the high crit NES I'm further away from the crit cap, so hit becomes less valuable, that I can understand (personal decision to keep at the hit cap though 10/agi10crit for 10/10hit isnt huge).
    - Instead of gemming for full ArPen, it had me somewhere in the middle, mostly gemming for Arpen, but lots of orange gems to grab socket bonusses.

    It would fit the results from the fluid druid blog http://thefluiddruid.wordpress.com/2...-guide-part-3/ that 10man kitties should press for agility, while 25man cats should go to full ArPen. Me being in the middle of both would have me balancing of the agi/arpen value.

    What's your take on this? RAWR doesnt think full arpenning is the way to go and common knowledge says I'm not at 1150 ArPen so it shouldnt, but it's not really telling me anything..

    Should I be in limbo?

    hmmzz.... meow.
    Cheers,
    Utter

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...alyon&cn=Utter
    Seems about right yeah. You don't have that much arpen yet that it pull ahead of all other stats by a mile, so it's not worth ignoring good socket bonuses for yet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Epoch
    Thanks for the help thus far. Tried swapping back to distant land but dropped me to around 1280 arp w/ food, so i may need to wait a bit on doing that until i can find more arp on gear to make up for the loss of cyptmaker. Swapped a ring and boot enchant ended up at 1407, dont like being over 1400 & kinda stumped at where to lose 7 arp. Should i throw in a expertise gem to get closer to 26? Anything else you can think of is very appreiated. Ty for taking the time to answer questions!
    Probably better to go down to 1387 then, maybe swap around a bit with your dragon eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anononon
    With my crit being a little lower than I like, I'm debating to either hold out for a whispering fang trinket, or buy the war token now...thoughts?
    Don't overestimate the war token, there's quite a few fights in icc where it's easy to lose the 20stack, and rebuilding the stack multiple times makes its value drop a lot for that fight. I find myself switching back to deaths choice for quite a few fights with target switching or phase changing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Odru
    Mihir thanks for the awesome thread you have made, has really shed a light on gearing up.

    I have a few questions you might be able to answer. This is my Feral Druids Armory:

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...gramar&cn=Odru

    At the moment im going for hardcap arpen as you can see. My question is this. The guild i am in at the moment will never ever go to ToGC 25man so i can get maybe my feet. I have the TOC 25normal feet. So the question arises which you have answered countless of times. Shall i just equip Lord Morrowgar feet and gem them with arpen and sacrifice the hit ill loose? Hit for me i feel is going to be the biggest problem to counter as im getting better gear. I just want to know whats the bear minimum Hit and Expertise i need to still sustain my dmg over 10k while keeping it as close as possible to hardcap arpen with food and elixir?
    Also what shall i get next with badges? the trinket or the back? Loosing the back i have now will totaly gimp my hit/expertise ratio, while getting trinket will totaly reduce my crit rating...Still praying for Saurfang trinket.
    In my opinion, hit/expertise gemming only start to play an important role when you get close to the crit cap. Since you are only at 60% crit, gemming agi+crit gems would probably be a much better option for those 2 +6agi bonus slots. I don't think there's a set amount of hit/expertise you need; if you are replacing them with better stats then your dps will only go up (otherwise it wouldn't be worth replacing them :P). If you get the marrowgar boots, gem them with arpen, not hit (as you'd only get 3 agi bonus per yellow socket).

    I'd go with the cloak first, and after that the trinket.

  13. #213
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by 309blank
    hiho, thanks for this thread!

    here comes my little kitty. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattrath&cn=Aristippos

    couple of things to add:

    i know i have to change my trinkets, and as you can see i have been running forge of souls religiously for a while now. i had the hit trinket from leviathan before but that put me way over the cap thats why i got the mirror of truth.

    im saving up for a nobles deck right now ( not so much saving up as just crafting cards. i have the money to buy the cards, but darkmoon isn't for another two weeks or so so im not that much in a hurry) but i don't know whether thats the way to go.

    for boots i thought about getting the ones from HoR and enchant them with agi.

    if i don't mess up i hit 6-7k easily and im usually doing well on the meters unless people totally outgear me. is there anything that i missed about my setup? things i should regem, enchant differently? what to do with my EoF, I'm at 56 emblems again and wanted to buy t10 shoulders, is that the way to go? I REALLY like the emblem belt and trinket, but i heard that t10 is just really awesome for ferals, so im hesitant to go for those, even though those are two very sore spots regarding my gear.
    Your current gear setup seems good, only things I'd change is the gems in your head/belt, and the enchant on your back. I see you already got the shoulders and boots

    If you got the triumph emblems for it, you could pick up the T9 helm, and equip the FL10 trinket instead of that darkmoon card: death. For your next item I suggest going for the belt first, and after that the T10 head, and then the T10 legs (when you get the T10 head you should probably switch to the T9 shoulders temporarily while you save up for the T10 legs). Don't give up on the scorpion btw, it's a massive dps increase

    Quote Originally Posted by Woven
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...issan&cn=Woven

    The other question I had was with rotation. How long can rip be down for after a 5CP FB before its a dps loss to have FB'd. And I believe I heard someone say getting your 3 shreds for glyph of shred is more important than rake uptime. Is this correct?
    You're logged in resto gear atm.

    Acceptable max downtime for rip would be ~6 seconds. Generally you will only want to FB when you got more than 8 seconds left on rip, and more than 11 on SR (exception is when the boss is about to die, within 6 seconds for a 5 point FB, or within 2 seconds for a 4 point FB, you can use a time to die addon to help you with this).

    The second thing you say is correct; if rake runs out and you only got a few more seconds left on rip and have not done all 3 shreds for the glyph of shred yet, then it's more dps to get the remaining shreds in than to refresh rake.

  14. #214

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Here's a link to my armory:
    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...er&cn=Chironos

    I would appreciate it if you could 1. Take a look at my spec and 2. Take a look at my gemming. I know I'm getting into the range where ArP overtakes Agi in terms of DPS value. I'm sitting at 7644 AP, hit capped, 56.33% crit unbuffed in cat form. I'm curious if gemming for ArP instead of Agi would give me a DPS increase, or if getting rid of the agi gems at this point would cripple my dps by lowering my crit and making my rotation harder to maintain.

  15. #215
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Ellywelly
    I've been raiding as a feral cat for little over a year now, generally in that time I spent most my time being top 4/5 on the dmg for almost every boss. But lately my DPS has dropped dramatically when it should really be going up considering the gear upgrades I've been getting. I kind of noticed a drop really towards the end of the ToC content.

    Heres a link to my armory; http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shadowsong&cn=Ellywelly
    The main thing you're probably noticing is that other dps already have their 4T10 bonus while you don't.

    With regards to your current gear, you could drop a bit of agi/crit rating to gain a bit more hit and haste, since you have a lot of crit already and arent hit capped (agi on cloak enchant to haste, agi+crit gems to agi+hit or agi+haste).

    Once you get the T10head+chest, you should notice a significant dps boost that will put you back up to level with other dps.

  16. #216
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by Exegesis
    Hello, MMO-C community. I need a little advice on how to best spend Frost emblems for my druid... armory should be http://www.wowarmory.com/character-feed.xml?r=Baelgun&cn=Linthanas if I've done the hyperlinking right.

    At the moment, I'm pretty pleased with how the character is playing: I managed to crawl my way to 7.2k DPS on 25-man Saurfang a few nights back, and that was before (gemming and enchanting and) adding the Frostbitten Fur Boots to the equation. Not the optimum DPS that the simulators say I should be pulling, but I don't think it's bad for what I'm working with... of course, constructive disagreement on that will be readily welcome.

    Anyways. I don't get to raid a lot due to work conflicts, so I'm trying to spend my precious Frost emblems as judiciously as possible. I'm torn between two trains of thought:

    A) Replace the glaring weakness in my gear, which means upgrading the Meteorite Whetstone with a Herkuml War Token.

    B) Start saving up for T10 pieces, and hope that I pick up a Whispering Fanged Skull or a Deathbringer's Will in one of the PuGs I manage to slide into. Or, barring that, just get off my lazy ass and buy a Greatness trinket once I've finished shelling out for the Saronite for some Bladeborne Leggings.

    I'm assuming one of those two courses of action is the correct course, though if someone a little more experienced can glance at my Armory profile and see some other immediate need, I'm all ears. Eyes. Whatever. Thanks in advance.
    Besides the darkmoon card, another good replacement for the blue trinket would be the banner of victory from toc5. If you manage to get either of them, you could turn your emblems towards getting some T10 pieces. Seeing as you're getting the crafted legs, gloves or head would be a good starting point. If you're doing VoA10/25 each week you should probably get the head first and hope for gloves from VoA.

    If it's gonna take some time to get either of those, and you have a lot of triumph emblems, you could consider to buy the T8 head+chest for a decent dps upgrade as well (tho when you replace T9 legs/gloves you'll want to swap on T9 chest to keep the 2T9 bonus, so 2T8 will have to go again then).

  17. #217
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    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Quote Originally Posted by gardner
    Hello

    This is my current gear setup http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...onsus&cn=Damea and i must say im really pleased with it. I would like to replace my curent weapon with the 251 polearm from the bloodprinces which has ap,hit and armor penetration that way i could replace my hit gems,i would be a bit under the epertise cap but that shouldnt be a problem.As soon as i get my deathbringers will i want to switch to full armor penetration geming.Im really interested in your opinion Mihir and thanks for it in advance.
    Looks good to me. Once you switch to full arpen gemming, just let go of any hit/exp rating gems you got, since with low crit (<70%), hit/exp will be a lot less valuable than they are now.

  18. #218

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Hi, that is my druid http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...m&cn=Killawatz
    Do you think i should replace those 20 hit rating gems to armor pen?
    Should i replace Pyrite Infuser with Vengeance of the Forsaken?
    Then i will be under hit cap.
    Should i keep my 20 hit rating gems and put Vengeance of the Forsaken instead of pyrite infuser?
    Then next should i get cloak or belt for badges?
    Does it even matter if i am under hit cappped, but like 70% armor pen?

  19. #219

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    just dinged 80 few days ago

    http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...ther&cn=Drvago

    i know ma mangle glyph needs to be changed, and got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47214 instead of the dragons blood

    ty in advance mihir <3

  20. #220

    Re: Mihir's "Fix my Feral DPS Gear" thread

    Thanks in advance... Here's my link

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...&cn=Fatherbone

    Should I keep the agility gems since I have 4 piece tier 10 bonus or gem arm pen? What about my hit and exp being under the cap?

    Thanks again!

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