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  1. #1941
    @volkvin - your static seems super-mega-casual, thus you should not give a f about dps.

  2. #1942
    Quote Originally Posted by mmokri View Post
    @volkvin - your static seems super-mega-casual, thus you should not give a f about dps.
    Its not hardcore, yet its not casual. The biggest issue is we only raid 1 day a week with that group. Nevertheless, i would not mind growing as a dps, so any feedback would be very welcome.

  3. #1943
    Hi guys,

    We have a feral druid in our raids and hes just obtained RoRo heroic but hes saying he does 50k+ more damage with his SoO trinkets as he does with RoRo now I can only imagine he isn't snap shotting his bleeds correctly and isnt tracking his trinket procs. He says he tracks his bleeds but that's it. Should he be using Ovale or does his rotation look ok?

    Here are some logs: http://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings...5631/5/#boss=0

    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Stoniee/simple

    Cheers Guys and Girls.

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    His current reforges has Crit as his highest secondary stat. That's one reason why he's doing less with his current setup. He's gotta make sure he checks his gear after upgrading them additional times.

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    To add to what Kronic1 said, which is correct, he needs to download a program called Catus and use that to do his reforges if he has RoR.

    Ontop of that, his uptimes on bleeds are extremely low. I was looking at the iron jug killed and he is only just over 50% uptime on rip, which is extreeeemly low, even if you use that tact where you outrange bombardment.

    http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...done&source=14

    Just fixing those 2 things alone will up his DPS so much.

  6. #1946
    Oky thanks guys will pass on this information.

  7. #1947
    hi,
    began to play my feral few weeks ago and went with my mainraid now. Maybe someone can take a fast look at my logs and tell me if there are any really bad mistakes..

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/1hxdaiua2m7jx1gl/ I was dead on some fights, but most of them should count (jugga/malko should be ok)
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/characte...%A9ko/advanced

    some items are still very bad (trinkets for example) but the rune didn't drop the last 3 weeks since i'm trying to get it

    Hope someone could give me some good advices

  8. #1948
    Malkorok uptimes could be a bit higher, theres no reason to not have them both at 95%+ try to get an lfr rune, i know u here its not good and stuff, but i compared a lot of logs with my feral and the feral from moonzlinge and we sometimes have the same amout of procs, its after all still rppm and its a lot better then sigil of rampage or aoc even heroic.otherwise theres not much to see, just try to get better trinkets and work on ur uptimes and u should be fine for now.

  9. #1949
    Can anyone help fix our Feral druids DPS? I'm and officer and tank for a Heroic (hopefully Mythic soon) raiding guild and we have a Feral druid under performing massively in our raids.

    Here's the logs of last nights Normal Kill
    warcraftlogs.com/reports/4KgRaH2APW7Yxwtd#type=summary&source=31Imperator

    Here is a log of our 5/7 HC run last week so you can see some other fights.
    warcraftlogs.com/reports/XJHj8nFZACfM24a1#fight=4

    Here' is his Armoury link
    eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/Zenedar/Jinarka/simple

    If you copy paste the links they will work

    I've been trying to get other people in the guild to help him out including our other Feral druid, however I've never played a Druid myself and although I can kind of see some of the things he's doing wrong, I don't know he can fix it.


    Sorry if this thread was too old to bump but I got directed here from the sticky, any help would be much appreciated!

    EDIT I'm really sorry about those links but the website wont let me post them properly because I don't have many posts... I'm more of a lurker.
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  10. #1950
    Really low uptime on rip/rake, do you put him on stairs? if so don't let him stay on kargath all fight. He should be closer to 95% instead of 30-40. He also doesn't stealth and rake for the SR buff at start, he didnt used second potion, and SR seems a bit low overall without digging to deep it feels like he has problems maintaining his dots. He also seem to stand in lot's of shit he shouldn't be hit off.

    Get him to install Ovale addon until he get the grip of it and get rid of that wildcharge talent and you should see some major difference in DPS.

  11. #1951
    i've gotta rush out but first thing i'd say is get him to download Ovale so he can at least get abit of a feel for the rotation. It won't put him in the top 1% but it'll get him on the right track. On the fight I looked at, Kargath, his bleed up-time is awful, haven't got time to look at the rest but i'm guessing his 'rotation' priorities are all over the place.

    And keep him away from AOE tasks, especially where mobs have a low hp *such as the stands on kargath*, our ST is pretty strong but our AOE is nothing short of atrocious.

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    Well, to start with, neither his cloak or neck are enchanted. They need crit enchants on them asap. Cloak would obviously benefit from movespeed too especially as ferals have a hard time switching targets over other classes, being able to get to your next target quicker helps. He needs a crit gem in his legs too. I'm not going to go all out and say his gems/enchants must be the best gems or gift enchants but the cloak one really should be.

    Onto the logs.

    I am unsure what's going on here, I know comparing Imperator (him) to my Kargath fights are massively different due to the mechanics, but if I can pull nearly 22k dps with using offspec items/gear and he's doing 14k with only 1 item level difference (roughly) between us, then something is wrong.

    What immediately stands out are a few things:

    He is hardly using his ferocious bite at all on the Imperator kill (used it twice), what on earth are all those combo points going onto?

    In the HM Kargath his debuff/buff uptime is horrendous. I noticed his only target was Kargath in that whole fight making my normal mode a good example to compare against. Take our two logs here:

    My dot uptime is above 90% for Rake/Rip with an incorrectly setup UI - http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...1/?s=163&e=415
    His is 65% Rake, 48% Rip: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...done&source=19

    My Savage Roar uptime is 96%, his is 26.32%, that's a buff that gives you 30% more damage done. That's a major contributor to his low damage too.

    Without sounding rude, I don't think he knows how to play a feral at all. He's managed to sort his Bloodtalons out, but the rest is all over the place. Unfortunately BT will not give him the damage he needs.

    He should do a couple of things:

    Run AskMrRobot or something like that on his gear and go for the optimiser.
    Download Ovale and perhaps the Pawkets Weak Auras script too to help maintain his dots.

    I could always jump in a raid with you guys, just like normal Kargath and see how he does/speak to him after if you wanted.

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  13. #1953
    Thanks for the help guys this is great stuff and I can feed it back to him and to him and the other officers so we can help him out.

    Fierae - Yeah I think he started playing in November, so literally only a few months so his lack of DPS is understandable as raiding, Dps and even WoW are all new to him and I can imagine its a lots to take in compared to us guys who've played for almost 10 years on and off.

    Due to this none of us are mad at him for being bad, he actually has a really great attitude toward criticism and wanting to improve although he doesn't ever ask for help and we need to point it out to him that he's doing stuff wrong, he's a nice guy so we try to put this across as positive criticism but it doesn't make improvement happen.

    I really appreciate your offer about joining us, and I may take you up on it! Thank you.

    Any other advice people have would still be great the more info we have the better.

  14. #1954
    Quote Originally Posted by Fierae View Post

    My Savage Roar uptime is 96%, his is 26.32%, that's a buff that gives you 30% more damage done. That's a major contributor to his low damage too.

    Without sounding rude, I don't think he knows how to play a feral at all. He's managed to sort his Bloodtalons out, but the rest is all over the place. Unfortunately BT will not give him the damage he needs.

    If hes that bad learning the full rotation, maybe start with glyph that makes savage roar passive... its a dps loss compare to 100% uptime and teh other glyph... but with only #6% uptime, that glyph would be a 20% bump inn his overall dps.

    I also, I have not trie Ovale, but I used Claw as a rotation helper to get back into feral after a couple years on my monk.

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    That is a good suggestion yes, using the passive Savage Roar glyph might help
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  16. #1956
    According to his armoury he already has that Glyph? How can he have such a low uptime on that buff while having a glyph that make sit passive? Does this mean he's almost never using abilities such as rake or shred?

    EDIT: nevermind they seem to be his highest cast abilities... I'm so confused.
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  17. #1957
    Quote Originally Posted by Fierae View Post
    That is a good suggestion yes, using the passive Savage Roar glyph might help
    Don't get the passive roar glyph. Get him Ovale/Spell Flash/Claw and get him to practice one the target dummies for as long as he can be bothered.. it's all about getting that priority system into his muscle memory so that when he see's his bleed timers he knows how to react.

    Speaking of which, definitely get him to download weak auras and Pawkets' aura strings, they're fantastic. You can find them on the fluid druid forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohks View Post
    According to his armoury he already has that Glyph? How can he have such a low uptime on that buff while having a glyph that make sit passive? Does this mean he's almost never using abilities such as rake or shred?

    EDIT: nevermind they seem to be his highest cast abilities... I'm so confused.
    That's a different glyph! There are two! One makes it a self buff when you rake/shred from stealth, the other drops the percentage it buffs you but makes it passive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicebikemate View Post
    Don't get the passive roar glyph. Get him Ovale/Spell Flash/Claw and get him to practice one the target dummies for as long as he can be bothered.. it's all about getting that priority system into his muscle memory so that when he see's his bleed timers he knows how to react.
    I was just saying for him to get the passive if he struggles with the rotation. The same argument would apply to CoS over BT.
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  19. #1959
    Ahhhh I see, I totally agree with you, he needs that glyph until he can understand his rotation a bit better. Thanks guys.

  20. #1960
    Quote Originally Posted by Fierae View Post
    That's a different glyph! There are two! One makes it a self buff when you rake/shred from stealth, the other drops the percentage it buffs you but makes it passive.

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    I was just saying for him to get the passive if he struggles with the rotation. The same argument would apply to CoS over BT.
    I just don't see the point in learning a dumbed down version of the priority. As he's starting from scratch he's better off getting one of the priority helping add-ons and jumping straight into it. It's much harder to relearn something that you're doing wrongly than it is to learn something correct in the first place. I guess everyone's different but that's just how I'd do it :/

    I suspect he's struggling with the rotation now because he literally doesn't know what to cast when - certainly if that Kargath kill is anything to go by.

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