Thread: 3.3.3 New Toys, Blue posts

Originally Posted by Razia

Okay, so for Thunderclap and Shockwave. I've always related TC an aoe attack, like Arcane Explosion, while SW was more of a frontal attack, like Cleave or Cone of Cold.
So is the proposed change to make TC attack like SW already does? A frontal attack and just call it a "ranged" attack? And what does the crit have to do with it?

Either way, I've always wished that SW would work like TC does, an aoe attack, because I have charging in, hitting TC, then repositioning trash to make sure mobs are in front of me, and THEN using SW to maximize it's effectiveness. Now it's the other way around -_-

It's nothing like that.

TC is considered a "Spell" not a "melee" or "ranged attack" and therefore the crit coefficient is only 150% ie frostbolt before talents only crits for 150% They propose to change it to a "ranged attack" so that it will crit for 200% by default before impale and thus = slightly more AoE threat for warriors. It won't change the functionality assuming there's no bugs, but it will do more damage. Which is win.

You are confused. The AoE portion of TC and Cone portion of SW will stay the same. They are just making TC Physical attack. Physical attacks crit for 200% of the damage, while spells crit for 150% of the damage. Right now, TC is a spell, thus it crits for 150% of its damage.

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Vatigu beat me to it

I hate a 12 hours AV battle, I took 12 hours to get one mark of honor.
And you need 30 for a armor piece only!
12x30=360 hours.... :P
But the game it self was fun, taking tower after tower, gy after gy and use everything, like the tree lord, ram riders infantery..
it felt like a REAL battle, only took to much time

Originally Posted by phenom568

Honestly the whole mastery system is just looking like the lazy way out of nerfing and buffing classes in the future.

"O we think you are OP we are going to reduce the benifit of your mastery bonus"

Hello mr.negative how is your day?

Probably no way to test, but do you think you can use the new blue crasher racer to do the winter veil achiv: http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1295 ? (for those who missed out on the red crasher racer in 08)

Originally Posted by phenom568

Honestly the whole mastery system is just looking like the lazy way out of nerfing and buffing classes in the future.

"O we think you are OP we are going to reduce the benifit of your mastery bonus"

Your bit encapsulated in quotes is exactly the point. They won't have to go eff up the talent trees to fix classes that are overpowered due to unforeseen circumstances. If a spec gets out of line they can just tweak the mastery stats and nobody has to go respec. It's called effective design.

I find it funny that you mock something logical and believe that unnecessary complexity is somehow a virtue. I can't imagine that you have a very well thought out understanding of the world.

Originally Posted by Nostradamuss

You should've seen AV in vanilla.

I didn't play in vanilla but I Heard a lot of QQ how faster AV is nowadays, heard people in guild how much fun it was with 5 hours each battly, saw some SS, etc...

well back in the day the towers had elite guarding them + the archers, there were also wandering elites on the map which give honor if you killed, for example there was a Abomination who was on the horde side etc.

Also players could collect stuff from bodies of players and use them to summon a boss, summon a bat or a gryphon to attack players from air, plus also a whole lot of npc attacking on mounts and on feet. These things really gave teams boost in their offense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU95KCt8Z4M (horde elemental boss) - http://www.wowwiki.com/Lokholar_the_Ice_Lord
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baNhn...eature=related (alliance boss) + you can see a flying gryphon in the end - http://www.wowwiki.com/Ivus_the_Forest_Lord

Those two could be healed by their faction

"In Patch 1.11, the number of NPCs was severely reduced. On some servers, this has led to a strategy that is known as "the race" or "the zerg". In this strategy, both sides bypass the main enemy group and rush the graveyard nearest the enemy base, quickly clear the two bunkers in the base, pull the Marshals, and then pull the General. Each side may also kill the opposing captain and claim a mine or easy Graveyard on the way, but the goal is still to rush the General without directly engaging players of the opposing faction. This leads to a faster-paced game which can be easily won or easily lost, providing more honor and AV tokens per hour than protracted games with the same win rate." http://www.wowwiki.com/Alterac_Valley

Originally Posted by Heywoods

The argument over faction balance in AV has for the most part been fixed I have felt. My gaping problem I always see with AV is the lack of PvP that actually goes on. It is a 40 vs 40 battleground and I find myself fighting NPC's more than actual players. How often does the horde and alliance just run past each other in the field of strife doing /wave.

The 10 hour long AV's of yesteryear are not something that I want back but the pvp and effort it took to win was nice. When was the last time an AV lasted enough to see armor upgrades done or god forbid a Monster was summoned in the field of strife. AV is one of the most dynamic and event based battleground to date yet it has become a 3 minute rush to Vann/Drek.

Indeed. They should just overpower the adds and maybe the BG boss too so you can't win without destroying the towers first. At least 3 towers destroyed should be the requirement.

Originally Posted by WyriHaximus

Those tokens are the main reason people are rushing it (and the daily). With that removed it would be great if blizz restores it to it's former glory.

/sign

thats just bullshit there is not imbalances in av. Allys skip all the tower guards, and all the elites in the area before drek. Horde have to kill at least one bowmen to cap the towers most of the time, and we always have to kill 7+ elites at their base. That takes at least 10 secs on towers, and 1 min or so before we can engage the boss. Thats a lot of time in a rush to the end. they need to play their game some more.