Thread: 3.3.3 New Toys, Blue posts

Originally Posted by Kitanii

I don't get the mastery system at all. So, there will be "special" Stats i get for spending points in a tree, okay - i get that. But wth is up with mastery on gear? I totaly don't get that.

Originally Posted by TobiasX

First stat comes from the number of talents you've spent in the tree and is reasonably generic (attack power, spell power, etc)
Second stat comes from the number of talents you've spent in the tree and is slightly more themed to your tree (haste, crit, etc)
Third stat comes from the amount of mastery you have from your gear and is something special for your tree (absorption for disc priests, for example).

I kinda feel the same as Kitanii. I understand that speccing into a talent tree will give three different bonuses, two pretty much similar and one special (or two special, depending on class).
But, where does gear come into this? I mean, you get the bonuses from talent specs right? Not from improving gear or anything? So what calculates the 'amount of mastery you have from your gear'?

Please explain the "mastery on gear" :P.

Originally Posted by omidmash

Lol.
they are trying to make this game simpler, this mastery shit is too complicated for your casuals..

Good troll, now come back when you finish secondary school. It's not complicated, but I just don't see where gear comes in.

Righto, so it's just a new stat on gear, like agi/sta/crit etc. I get it now, quite easy ofc, just never seen an example of it or read that it'd be a new stat .

Cheers for explaining

Some of the toys seemed recycled, only the rag doll is somewhat original.

Originally Posted by phenom568

Honestly the whole mastery system is just looking like the lazy way out of nerfing and buffing classes in the future.

"O we think you are OP we are going to reduce the benifit of your mastery bonus"

This is a bad thing how?
They can balance out classes easier, and only touch upon specific abilities if absolutely necessary, leaving more time to tend to other areas of the game.

Originally Posted by WyriHaximus

Those tokens are the main reason people are rushing it (and the daily). With that removed it would be great if blizz restores it to it's former glory.

Personally I think that would be great - but I cant see it happening. I also cant see the majority of the player base even wanting it (which I think is a mistake). Ill explain....

Ive remember running heroics in BC, they required a little thought, and more time. There was more trash and some had to be CCd (at least till we outgeared them a lot). Some instances like heroic Shattered Halls had some nasty pulls that required everyone to be on their feet - and before pallys became so overpowered at the later part of that expansion - CC was a must for that place. Heroics took some time to complete.

Now, just run a heroic.... How long is it taking you? 10, 15 mins? This is great for "grinding badges" but personally I think the game has suffered for this. People arent running the instance for the fun of it - its ONLY a grind for badges. Often times bosses are skipped and if they can go straight for the last boss then even better! On my newest toon I had to do Old Kingdom heroic about 5 times before I got the achievement for it - and even then only with a run with guildies. Everyone else had skipped most bosses.

I think the same happens with PVP....... yes - people are farming marks to a degree so with those going it may help issues a little. However a lot of the honor still comes from killing drek or vann - and I suspect that even with marks going and kill honor going up etc, people will still zerg because they want to be out really fast.

I dont know what the solution is - it never works to reset the clock - the days of fast battlegrounds and heroics is here - and I cant see it changing - even in cataclysm.

Just my 2 pence worth.

Mastery looks nice , no tab changing anymore

Originally Posted by d00d3r1n0

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

Death Knight (Forums / Talent Calculator)
Runic Power boost through Frost masteries
I know it's hard to get a feel for the design when you can't see the complete picture, but talent trees are changing for Cataclysm. As Eyonix referenced above, we are changing the DK rune mechanic a little so that you aren't so GCD constrained. This in turn will give us a chance to rebalance how much runic power Frost gets. Remember that in many cases we are pulling talents out of the trees and giving them to you as passive bonuses. In general if you see a passive talent tree bonus and think to yourself "Hmm, that doesn't sound very good for me," then it's probably because we haven't revealed the changes that lead to that being attractive to you. (Source)

I would love to see less dependencies on GCD. Also, the passive talents NEED to be out of the trees. Been saying this from the beginning of WotLK. Excited to try this stuff.

This sounds really interesting... Soon the DKs will be passive DPSs/tanks. (Aoutocasting bars! Yay!) Sounds Blizz wants to transform WoW into a Japanese Hack and Slash MMORPG...

Originally Posted by Myria

Making it impossible to be bad at something also makes it impossible to be good at it.

Depressingly enough, I suppose to most this is a good thing.

Not necessarily. It'll still be possible to have a 'terrible' spec, just not a "truly terrible" one. I'd expect there to be a "truly awesome" spec as well (one where certain utilities can be used in combination for amazing dps boosts).

# 1. 28/28/20 spec. Does mastery on gear affect both highest trees or give no benefit at all?
Mastery on gear gives you one bonus. That bonus is the third passive (the unique one) in the tree in which you’ve spent the most points. In the examples we gave, those are Absorption, Radiance and Runic Power generation.

nicely dodged the question there Blizz!