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    Trouble using frost badges.

    http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ion&cn=Madriel

    Okay, so I currently have 105 frost badges. I can't decide whether to get the t10 4 set bonus or keep my t9 2 set bonus. The 4 set for t10 gives an additional 3% dmg increase when all runes are on cooldown (I believe) which they never are, unless I'm in my unholy trash clearing spec, but who cares about that. Now the t9 2 set has a chance to give another 180 str for 15 seconds whenever I use blood strike or heart strike. (6 HS in my rotation)

    I could always get the malevolent girdle (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50987) but if I do, I'm lose 8.2 expertise, I'm already a tad low as it is, being at 23 and all.

    Help with this would be greatly appreicated. On a side note, I most likely won't be getting gear from ICC 25 b/c of the lack of skilled/geared players my guild currently has.

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    What do you mean your runes are never all on cooldown? The opening sequence for all specs is 5 attacks long, which takes 4 GCDs, or 6 seconds in blood presence. The first rune you used wont regenerate for another 4 seconds after that, so you first get the 3% damage buff about 6 seconds into the fight. After that (ignoring movement for a bit), you should be using runes as soon as they come off cooldown, so in other words the 3% buff should be refreshing itself basically every cooldown for the duration of the fight. It's essentially a passive 3% damage boost.

    Maybe you're misunderstanding the buff - it grants you 3% damage for 20s, and refreshes every time all of your runes are on cooldown. Basically the bonus is godly, and you get it before you even consider buying anything offset.

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Mmm, I see, well tyvm, I appreciate it.

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Just to give an example of the uptime for the 4pc t10:

    http://worldoflogs.com/reports/kryzu...3337#tab-auras

    Advantage is the name of the actual buff, as you can see, it procced 138 times during the course of a ~3 minute fight, to give just about 100% uptime (I precast DnD and AoTD before the pull to get the buff up)

    I did 12.2k dps on that fight, so the 4pc contributed to about 366dps for me, so definately worth getting first. It scales with your gear and current DPS of course, so your returns will be different, but even so, a 3% dps gain is quite valuble at any gear level.

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Quote Originally Posted by Momome
    Basically the bonus is godly, and you get it before you even consider buying anything offset.
    Godly huh? While I don't disagree that the OP should get the 4pc bonus, I don't think you should get his expectations too high.

    The closest thing to a Godly set bonus we've seen was the original T9 4pc.
    And in case we've forgotten, the math showed that moving to 2+2 was at best a wash and worst a loss. It wasn't until getting 4pc T10 that it was considered a universal upgrade for everyone. And that wasn't so much the bonus but the increased ilvl of the gear.

    As you can see below, 4pc T9 is still the best bonus at any gear level.


    Set iLvl 245 iLvl 251 iLvl 264 iLvl 277
    2T7 96.67 126.26 136.92 144.78
    4T7 86.67 163.21 167.08 179.10
    2T8 95.36 95.08 95.38 98.51
    4T8 311.67 349.18 376.29 414.93
    2T9 147.54 106.56 106.54 107.46
    4T9 465.38 431.15 446.15 508.96
    2T10 243.33 314.75 340.00 374.16
    4T10 401.67 409.84 432.31 473.13
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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    The 2 piece t10, 2 pc t9 combo is worse than 4 pc t9 from a set bonus stand point, but the extra stats going from 232 or 245 to 251 more than make up for it.

    Now if you have the 258 version of the 4pc t9, the 2 pc t10 isn't worth upgrading without looking into more factors.

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wingwraith
    Godly huh? While I don't disagree that the OP should get the 4pc bonus, I don't think you should get his expectations too high.

    The closest thing to a Godly set bonus we've seen was the original T9 4pc.
    And in case we've forgotten, the math showed that moving to 2+2 was at best a wash and worst a loss. It wasn't until getting 4pc T10 that it was considered a universal upgrade for everyone. And that wasn't so much the bonus but the increased ilvl of the gear.

    As you can see below, 4pc T9 is still the best bonus at any gear level.


    Set iLvl 245 iLvl 251 iLvl 264 iLvl 277
    2T7 96.67 126.26 136.92 144.78
    4T7 86.67 163.21 167.08 179.10
    2T8 95.36 95.08 95.38 98.51
    4T8 311.67 349.18 376.29 414.93
    2T9 147.54 106.56 106.54 107.46
    4T9 465.38 431.15 446.15 508.96
    2T10 243.33 314.75 340.00 374.16
    4T10 401.67 409.84 432.31 473.13
    ((I've originally miss read this post (thinking he was talking about not getting T10) I made a pretty little table to prove him wrong thinking he was an idiot. However, I reread his post. Since I already made my pretty little table, and it's a shame for it to go to waste. I'll just keep it in my post. :P))

    Yeah, you will loose DPS if you rock the T9 and T10 two-piece bonuses at the same time. You can wait until you get four pieces of T10. I don't know how much DPS you would loose or gain just by telling from the bonuses alone. Run your character through rawr (simulator) and see check the differences in your DPS with the two-piece combo and a full set of T9.

    Now see my pretty little table. :P


    iLvL |
    T9 Bonus |
    T10 Bonus



    245 |
    612.92 |
    648.00



    251 |
    537.71 |
    724.59



    264 |
    552.69 |
    772.31



    277 |
    616.42 |
    847.29



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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Quote Originally Posted by I stand in fire
    I made a pretty little table to prove him wrong thinking he was an idiot. However, I reread his post.
    I won't claim to always be right, or even be paying attention for that matter, but I'm rarely an idiot.
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    @Wingwraith: You can haz a point too, but only because you admit you're a tool!

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    Re: Trouble using frost badges.

    Realm first: unable to keep runes on cooldown
    Title reward: the slacker!

    just get the 4 set unless you loose a useful stat.

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