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    ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    Icecrown Citadel Hall of Fame Update
    It's been a couple of weeks since the last update of the Hall of Fame and pretty much everything on that list is now down. Hopefully we will see an heroic kill of the Lich King (25) very soon, maybe before the 10% version of the zone-wide buff.

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<td align="center">[b]Heroic Bosses First Kills[/b]</td>
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=897"]Lord Marrowgar[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 9 21:59 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 10:00 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=894"]Lady Deathwhisper[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 01:13 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 11:36 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=893"]Gunship Battle[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 01:28 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 11:48 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=900"]Deathbringer Saurfang[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 06:13 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 14:13 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=902"]Valithria Dreamwalker[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 07:28 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 15:46 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=892"]Festergut[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 09:12 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 17:09 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=899"]Rotface[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 10:14 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 17:23 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=898"]Professor Putricide[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.exo-guild.com/"]Exodus[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Ysondre
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 23 23:56 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 12 15:44 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=891"]Blood Princes[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.vodka-guild.net/"]vodka[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Alterac Mountains
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 10 11:14 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 18:00 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=895"]Blood Queen Lana'thel[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.exo-guild.com/"]Exodus[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Ysondre
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 11 03:00 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 10 23:06 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=901"]Sindragosa[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://www.exo-guild.com/"]Exodus[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Ysondre
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Feb. 12 06:15 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Feb. 11 15:05 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=896"]The Lich King (10)[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url="http://adeptguild.com/"]Adept[/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url="http://www.paragon-wow.com/"]Paragon[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Dreadmaul
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Lightning's Blade
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]Mar 15. 10:34 GMT
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]Mar. 3 09:02 GMT
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	[url="http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?page=896"]The Lich King (25)[/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img][url=""][/url]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img][url=""][/url]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]
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	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/us.gif[/img]
    
	[img]http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/flags/europeanunion.gif[/img]
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    Blue posts
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Operation Gnomeregan / Recapturing Echo Isles
    Players of all levels will be able to take part in some form or another. We'll have more details for you as we get a little closer to the event. (Source)

    Class cooldowns
    It's just a matter of degree. Slice and Dice isn't too bad used as every other finisher or so (though even then it's such a game-changer that having it fall off is devastating). Slice and Dice as something you had to do every other attack would be masochistic (and yeah, Hunger for Blood might be close).

    Brain Freeze doesn't proc all that often to where you're literally doing Frost Bolt / Fireball / Frost Bolt / Fireball.

    Really though one of the biggest differences is the role. If dps specs don't have some kind of rotation or priority system, they become boring to play. With tanks and healers, they have a lot going on in addition to using their abilities. We do ask dps specs to sometimes do really important things in a raid, and they often have to move out of the fire or whatever, but then again, so do the healers and tanks.

    I'm not saying tanks shouldn't be hitting buttons often. They need to in order to be fun. But there are two extremes that both sort of suck. One is you have to hit a button constantly that has very little depth to the decision. The other is that you never want to push the button because you're saving it. Cooldown plays into this a lot. On a 15 sec cooldown, any time you're saving the ability, you're probably wasting it. On a 60 min cooldown, any time you use the ability you feel like you're wasting it. Somewhere in the 2-3 minute timeframe you can feel like it's okay to use the abilities often, but you can also hold them on occasion for those scary periods where the boss is bursting damage on you or the healers are repositioning or whatever.

    I don't think we're horribly off with the cooldowns today, but I think we are off.
    (Source)

    Tanking control and cooldowns
    Yeah we think this is a problem. It makes sense that a tank need to spend some percentage of button presses on the "staying alive" component of tanking and not all on the "boss control" part of tanking. We just need a "staying alive" button that doesn't feel very maintenance-y. There is kind of a sweet spot between pushing something on cooldown and never ever pushing it because you need to save it for an emergency that might not ever come.

    We've also kind of let tanks (except DKs) opt out of having to manage their resource, and threat by and large isn't hard to maintain on single targets, at least 10-20 seconds into a fight. Tanks always have a lot of responsibility for positioning the mob and everything but that probably still leaves some bandwidth for making decisions about staying alive that we aren't really filling at the moment.

    Shield Block (and Holy Shield) will be more meaningful in the Cataclysm block model too.

    [...] Just wanted to point out that I used "boss control" specifically instead of "maintain threat." Tanks are asked to turn dragons away from the raid, kite dudes across the room, swap with another tank, get out of the fire without failing to do any of the previous, maybe interrupt (on 10-player raids) and so on. On some fights this is a pretty small piece of the puzzle. On others it's huge. If juggling cooldowns and managing threat take a lot of your attention, then boss control becomes overwhelming on some fights. If doing all of the above is too simple then on say Patchwerk (Festergut?) you're not doing much. (Source)

    Overgearing encounters
    There can be something in between Heroic Shadow Labs when it shipped and Heroic Nexus today in your 251 / 264 gear. Stopping to crowd control some of the pulls isn't so terribly onerous, given that the dungeons themselves are a lot shorter than they were in the day when Scholomance was serious business.

    I'll still argue some (but not all) of it was the gear. Naxx was available immediately and relatively undertuned, especially in the 25 player version. In BC I spent a lot of time finishing up all of those Shadowmoon quests with blue rewards so that I could handle Karazhan. In Lich King many of us were in Naxx before we saw some of the heroic dungeons. By the time we got back to those dungeons, we totally overgeared them.

    Heroic Halls of Reflection isn't a great example because of the nature of the first room, but if you look at something like Heroic Pit of Saron, that dungeon took a bit of learning before it was a milk run. The pulls before the tunnel at the end typically require crowd control until you overgear it with raid drops and Frost badge gear.

    But to go back to the Naxx example, if all the Blizzards, Pestilences and Volleys hit for less damage, then you'd single target stuff down more, and it all of the mobs weren't dying at once, then the tank would be in more danger from dying to too much damage. (This will be particularly true when block doesn't scale so well to lots of weak attackers.)

    We give classes a lot of tools and when half of those tools (to exaggerate) aren't ever used, then classes feel shallow. Not every pull will require CC, but more of them will than today. (Source)

    Minor Glyphs
    I would disagree and say that all of the minor rogue glyphs are pretty decent in one way or another. So maybe this is just a detachment of what people see as useful for their own play style. They're certainly more subjective than "you must have these major glyphs if you're this spec". But I think that's pretty cool, that you can pick and choose the ones that match what you want to do and not have a clear "omg you HAVE to have these or you're a dumb!"

    [...] Bottom line is that some minor glyphs are certainly considered by a lot of people as more 'useful' than others, and obviously not every class has the same spells, abilities, and desire for what glyphs provide so there's not going to be a homogenization of glyph 'worth' through standardized effect (nor should there be). I would disagree that there aren't useful minor glyphs for every class. Are they useful to you? Maybe not. Like any part of the game there's room for improvement, and certainly with Cataclysm and the class changes there will need to be glyph additions/changes to go along with them. (Source)

    Hunter (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Hunter specs in 3.3.3
    Judging from a quick perusal of the Internet, my hastily written post up above confused some people. My apologies. The point I was trying to make was that 3.3.3 BM seems pretty close to SV in a lot of cases. We're not going to know more until we see more humans and fewer spreadsheets try it out. Players raid SV today and can be relatively competitive on meters. Therefore hopefully players who like BM can do the same thing. Are all 3 hunter specs within 1% of each other on all gear? No, and I don't think that's a reasonable goal. We'll try to narrow the gap where we can without forcing every player to respec to the whatever the current flavor of the month hotness is or creating balance nightmares in PvP. (Source)

    With my current gear, my BM spec trails a SV spec by 7.8% in potential dps. Compared to MM, BM is 13.4% behind. When I plug in the BiS gear in every slot I find BM trailing SV by 8.9% and the gap between BM and MM increases to 16.7%. I also have to add that I did not gem for anything but Agi in any of the specs so the ArP factor is reduced. I only have 426 passive ArP with my gear. Even without massive amounts of ArP, BM still is way behind MM and considerably behind SV as well.

    We didn't obviously compare the gear of every hunter out there. We looked at a few different levels of progression and BM is pretty close to SV in a lot of cases. Eurytos up above thinks BM is pretty close to SV, and in fact I'll quote him in a minute. If you're a BM fan I think you can raid as BM in 3.3.3 without utterly embarrassing yourself. Are there hunters out there who can out dps you? Sure. But there would be hunters out there who could beat you even if you were both MM. Any of us can pull out parses where the Elemental shaman or Shadow priest or Blood DK is topping the meters for that particular raid and still making ICC progression. Let's assume BM and SV are 1500-2000 dps behind MM. At that level, the damage is probably close enough where skill and gear are going to have a much greater impact than your spec for most of you.

    Is that acceptable for Lich King 25 hard mode? Probably not. But the guilds at that level of progression are obsessed about even minimal dps gains, and they need to be. I'm not sure we can ever balance all 3 specs of a given class to be within 100 or so dps of each other on the most challenging content given that the specs have different mechanics that produce different strengths and weaknesses on different encounters. Balance at the hardest of the hard core is different from balance at the rest of the game, and much of the community would do well to focus less on maximum dps potential with the best gear and focus more on what they themselves can do. BM in 3.3.2 was unacceptably low in PvE. I'm not sure it is now. (Source)

    Paladin (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Paladins AE Tanking Nerfs
    We haven't announced any new paladin nerfs. It's possible we won't make any changes before Cataclysm. We haven't decided yet. (Source)

    Warrior (Forums / Talent Calculator)
    Threat and Rage Management
    I think they are different though. You are probably not going to die from failing to push Shield Slam, except possibly to a raid wipe very early on the pull when threat is dicey and healers or casters get creamed (and today, even that is unlikely.) The other problem is the resource issue I mentioned before. Back in BC (especially early), warriors had to prioritize rage a little more. If you hit Heroic Strike so much that you lacked rage for a Shield Slam (or a Shield Block), then you were doing it wrong. In today's environment, many Prot warriors might as well take the rage bar off their screen. (Caveat: This does not mean being eternally rage starved is fun. It just means that choosing which ability to use is more fun than hitting them on cooldown.) (Source)
    Fan Arts
    The Blizzard Fan Art Section has been updated with 3 more Fan Arts.


  2. #2

    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    hah, funny they should mention SL.. I never dared go near that place without at least 2 mages and maybe a warlock..and that was on NORMAL mode!
    - Skysin the Deadly Death Knight -
    "Death, (and Decay) since the WotLK Alpha"
    lvl 80 Unholy DPS/Tank, Regulators - Kul Tiras EU

  3. #3

    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    Nice, I was worried I wouldn't be able to do the alliance pre-cata event. I always like to see both sides of events like this.

  4. #4

    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    i think it is funny that paragon closed the gap to the us ppl from 10 hours to 6 in the end and then got world first on all end wing bosses

  5. #5

    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    That Nightsabre needs a diet, unless my one in-game is anorexic.....
    When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome instead.

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    Dreadlord
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    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    LK 25 ain't dying with 5%, it will be killed with 10%

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    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    It's so tiring to see Survival being at the top (and MM at the highest raids)
    Like, what the hell is Survival anyway? Back before the overhaul(s) it was some kind of hilariously crappy Trap/Melee (lawl) tree with Wyvern Sting to piss people off in PvP.
    It's not a Pet tree and it's not a Ranged tree, it wins because of Lock n Load, passive stat boosts and Explosive Shit.
    It ignores pets entirely, other than having a Wolf for Furious Howl.

    Marksman atleast was a proper tree, it enhances your ranged attacks, and not increases passive stats or pure damage done in % like Surv does (Expose Weakness, Sniper Training, Hunter vs. Wild)

    Left in the gutter is Beastmastery because it dominated in BC since it could be macroed (Kill Command and Steady Shot, more or less.), and now it's locked in a bad place because the theme of the tree, pets, conflicts with Blizzard's total unacceptance of the hunters damage being made by the pet. It's a fair concern, but what could be done?
    Beast Mastery (51 point): Your damaging ranged attacks has a 15-20% chance of causing your Pet to grant both the Hunter and Pet 3% of total AP, stacks up to 5 times.
    or maybe;
    Kindred Spirits: While your pet is alive and summoned, you gain 10% ranged Haste.
    There's many ways to allow BM to "stack up", thus making buffs have a lower inpact on PvP.

    I see BM as THE true Hunter tree... problem is that as a Beastmaster tree, almost all of the talents are pet oriented, thus creating the problem with a too large amount of their total damage are from a Pet autoattacking, not to mention the drop in damage if the pet dies.
    Yet, pets are an essential part of the hunter class, but MM and Surv degrades them to passive buff-bots, and there's not a too significant problem if the pet dies for those two speccs.

    Do I want BM to dominate like in BC? No...
    But it should be closer x_x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viceversa
    LK 25 ain't dying with 5%, it will be killed with 10%
    Sad but true.

    I'd love to see the world first w/ just the 5% buff though.

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    I really hope if they plan on increasing the CC requirements that they'll make Hex a viable solution - a 45 second CD, purgable, humans and beasts only (lovely in an Elemental-themed xpac - hey I thought we Shamans were the elemental people?). It seems too weak when we can't really control any other way. The little bit of CC in Udular before we overgeared it proved to me at least that Hex was not a valuable tool at all.
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    I'll still argue some (but not all) of it was the gear. Naxx was available immediately and relatively undertuned, especially in the 25 player version. In BC I spent a lot of time finishing up all of those Shadowmoon quests with blue rewards so that I could handle Karazhan. In Lich King many of us were in Naxx before we saw some of the heroic dungeons. By the time we got back to those dungeons, we totally overgeared them.
    Maybe this is true in some cases. But what about all the normal dungeons that are being facerolled with AoE? I just leveled a paladin and in the, maybe 50, normal runs i did while leveling there was never any use of CC.
    And i clearly remember doing heroics with Black Temple gear and quest items with my friend tanking and me healing. We didn't use a lot of CC, maybe on 3 pulls of all the heroics. Yes, sometimes it was a little hard to heal and new players would probably wipe there.

    In TBC when i did heroic dungeons in T4 gear (you can compare that to having naxx gear and doing heroics in WotLK) we still used CC.
    It's the 3.0 WotLK skills, talents and new mechanics that made dungeons AoE fests. Not "some" of it was overgearing. We ran Black Temple in the same gear as before but now AoEing everything, after 3.0 hit.

    Yes, when you go to an ilvl 200 dungeon with ilvl 264 you are overgearing it. But that's Blizzard's fault, giving frost emblems from heroics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfieone
    I really hope if they plan on increasing the CC requirements that they'll make Hex a viable solution - a 45 second CD, purgable, humans and beasts only (lovely in an Elemental-themed xpac - hey I thought we Shamans were the elemental people?). It seems too weak when we can't really control any other way. The little bit of CC in Udular before we overgeared it proved to me at least that Hex was not a valuable tool at all.
    Hex feels more like a PvP spell.

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    What people seem to be forgetting is that CC is "CROWD CONTROL"... not "CAST AND FORGET ABOUT THE MOB".

    Sure, Hex sucks... but only because of the cool down.

    I remember back in vanilla... taking 45 mins to run Scarlet Monastery: Cathedral and needing to make sure i kept sheep up (instead of just casting it and forgetting about it).

    Seriously, i feel like the people i play this game with would find Wack-A-Mole too difficult and "mathy".

    Crowd Control is a necessary componant of the game. Wotlk has proven that without CC... idiots run rampant.

    You never had an equivalent to "198237813 GEARSCORE FOR NORMAL DEADMINES! - LINK ACHIEVE!" in Vanilla/TBC.

    Pro-tip: It's not because those things didn't exist in Vanilla/TBC.

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    Nice.

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    We haven't announced any new paladin nerfs.



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    I miss CC. I barely played during the tail end of TBC, but I remember MGT being a fricken shit-show, but I'll be damned if it wasn't a blast. I'm excited for blizz to implement CC back into the game, but unless they can make gear scaling less of an issue, we're just doomed for a repeat of AEing entire raids after one content patch. It kind of came back for ulduar when ulduar was the new content, but we all know how long that lasted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skysin
    hah, funny they should mention SL.. I never dared go near that place without at least 2 mages and maybe a warlock..and that was on NORMAL mode!
    heroic SL was aoefarmed by us already in 2.1 without any cc..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharaki
    heroic SL was aoefarmed by us already in 2.1 without any cc..
    Yes, only with a prot paladin. So giving all tanks ridiculous threat and AoE abilities ruined CC and dumbed everything down.

    If you would tank 5 mobs as a warrior in TBC you even had a chance the healer would pull agro.
    Threat dropping skills were actually used. Also on single target boss fights. You needed Blessing of Salvation to increase dps (maybe that was a little bit wrong, but oke).

    I remember doing The Shattered Halls with my friend. He was tanking on his warrior and i was healing on my shaman. We were in T4+ gear. You had these huge (for those times, 5 mobs) packs where i actually had to wait with healing or i would pull threat on one of those mobs he didn't have a chance to hit yet. Or you used sap (probably one of the skills a rogue almost never uses these days in pve) and sheep.
    I think the duration of sap was even increased. Before that the tank actually had to watch when sap was falling of and pick up the mob and the mage had to resheep his target.

    I understand why they changed these things, but i think it still was more fun in TBC.

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    OH MY GOD!!!

    The Nelf female has no skin showing, nor major boobage O.O

    THE WORLD IS GOING UNDER!!!!

    Nah... Great job... Lame to have all females in small bikinis and Ö / Z class boobs.

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    Is that acceptable for Lich King 25 hard mode? Probably not. But the guilds at that level of progression are obsessed about even minimal dps gains, and they need to be. I'm not sure we can ever balance all 3 specs of a given class to be within 100 or so dps of each other on the most challenging content given that the specs have different mechanics that produce different strengths and weaknesses on different encounters. Balance at the hardest of the hard core is different from balance at the rest of the game, and much of the community would do well to focus less on maximum dps potential with the best gear and focus more on what they themselves can do. BM in 3.3.2 was unacceptably low in PvE. I'm not sure it is now.

    The problem with this reasoning imo is that specs which are easier to play than others and still push out more dps will be the specs of choice/ no way around it. The smaller your gap in dps between specs is ( to which i think you still should aspire )the more viable the other specs become- harder to pay specs/ specs with a very common raidbuff should be slightly higher on dps imo , because otherwise they'll never be viable. People not being as extremely good as players in those top guilds wil still be pushed into those top dmg specs because either:
    1. Usually they are easier to play than their counterparts
    2. Usually they pack a more valuable raidbuff than their lower counterparts

    I don't want to generalise because in some cases a good job balancing was done, i think of for example warocks, but in some cases a horrible job is still keeping people in only 1 raidspec->mages/ Deat knights. all i wnat to say is , don't stop balancing specs becasue they are a 'mere 2k dps' apart

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    Re: ICC Hall of Fame, Blue posts, Fan Arts

    Quote Originally Posted by Elixor
    OH MY GOD!!!

    The Nelf female has no skin showing, nor major boobage O.O

    THE WORLD IS GOING UNDER!!!!

    Nah... Great job... Lame to have all females in small bikinis and Ö / Z class boobs.
    Hahah exactly what I thought :P

    Also love the one with the 2 mounts in, what ever big mario mushrooms those mounts had I want some for mine.

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