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    Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Ok, some possibly stupid questions inc, but bare with me please.

    For those who wonder I am a ret pally: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sh...idon&cn=Lyriel


    Last night I got http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50415 and was pretty excited over that. I replaced it with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50048

    I lost 99 crit rating (2,16%) and 91 haste rating (2,78%). Which brought me down from 39,35 % to 37,35 % crit, and from 391 haste to 301 haste.

    I didn't feel it was such a huge upgrade right away (gemmed and enchanted straight away in the raid), the single target dps/dmg was allmost the same, but I lacked a little crit, and a good chunk of haste. I got 3/5 t10 pieces, and are almost halfway to the 4th piece.

    And so comes the million dollar question: Should I keep the sword, until I get the 4-set bonus, or should I f**k it and just keep using my axe?

    I feel the axe is not that great for pallys (considering the speed 3.40, and no stats at all), but that might just be me. In the end I am going for the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49888#comments which is so damn sexy.


    Next thing. Trinkets. I've heard whats BiS (http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50351 ? Heroic version is better obviously, but I wont get my hands on that in the near future.


    My current trinkets are: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47303 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42987 .

    Whats the best trinket combo available for me (exclude ICC 25 hc, and ICC 10 hc)?:

    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50351 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50342
    or
    http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50351 and http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47303 (Will possibly get the hc version some time in the near future, if I'm lucky, guild runs ToGC 25 on offdays).

    Question: What makes the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50351 so insanely good for ret pallys?

    A ret pally in a pug raid I was in had that trinket, and it only did about 2-3% of his damage if I recall right. I've obviously snapped up that its a very good trinket for ret pallys, and will grab it as soon as it drops, but I'm just wondering why its better than a DC and WFS combo.


    For those who inspected me, you would probably have noticed that I lack a bit hit, and I'm hoping to get that up either by the bracers from gunship battle 25 man, or the sexy trinket from Putricide 25m.


    Thanks for any answers. No flaming please, I know some of those questions probably are like "Lol? Didn't you know that? Hahah!" for someone, but a good way to learn is to ask other (more experienced?) players. ;D

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Run your char through Rawr is you want and compared QD and BT. Self buff dps doesn't mean jack-all when you loose 2% crit and a bit of haste. I'd take BT over QD anyday (even though that is exatcly what I did).

    A ret pally in a pug raid I was in had that trinket, and it only did about 2-3% of his damage if I recall right. I've obviously snapped up that its a very good trinket for ret pallys, and will grab it as soon as it drops, but I'm just wondering why its better than a DC and WFS combo
    I think this trinket gets better the higher you haste is. And even though it's only a 2-3% dps increase for the pug retpaly, it might be a higher increase in the hands of a more experienced paladin. Same as the BT proc, it's pretty decent contribution, you don't notice it like that, but 200k goes a long way on a 5-6min fight .
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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lyriel


    And so comes the million dollar question: Should I keep the sword, until I get the 4-set bonus, or should I f**k it and just keep using my axe?


    I feel the axe is not that great for pallys (considering the speed 3.40, and no stats at all), but that might just be me. In the end I am going for the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=49888#comments which is so damn sexy.


    Question: What makes the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=50351 so insanely good for ret pallys?

    Well, i think you should see a slight increase in dps from using the axe, even tho its faster the min/max dmg is still highter then the sword and there is 2 extra sockets to add with the procc. With your gear and soon getting 4p(?) i would run with the axe.

    What makes the trinket so good is that it proccs the seal aswell. The hit might only be 50% but it also adds a full dmg seal swing.


    Perhaps you'll even get shadowmourne sometime?

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Hm, well I happened to have Rawr up so I looked you up. Byrn'troll is a little under a 200 DPS increase over Quel'Dalar so maybe you just faced some bad RNG when you tried it out. You should definitely go for Shadow's Edge though; I saw a couple hundred DPS increase when I swapped out Byrn'troll.

    Also, about Tiny Abom, on top of the trinket double procing with seal damage, I've noticed that some attacks can actually add 2 motes to the trinket. On EJ, they were saying some weird crit or seal mechanic let's that happen.

    Oh and DC > WFS on Rawr but only by 8 DPS, so your 2 trinkets should be Tiny Abom and Death's Choice.

    Hope this helps!

    By the way, you should go to codeplex.com/rawr and download the client. It's surprisingly accurate for a sim program and really easy to use.

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Draqn
    Well, i think you should see a slight increase in dps from using the axe, even tho its faster the min/max dmg is still highter then the sword and there is 2 extra sockets to add with the procc. With your gear and soon getting 4p(?) i would run with the axe.

    What makes the trinket so good is that it proccs the seal aswell. The hit might only be 50% but it also adds a full dmg seal swing.


    Perhaps you'll even get shadowmourne sometime?
    Yeah, 4 piece is soon inc.

    And about Shadowmourne, there are at least 3 people that got prio over me on that (officers, more DKP, etc etc), so by the time I got the mats and even complete that (hard) questline, It'll just be bling =).

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    BT without a doubt over that silly quest sword the proc is very worth it.

    Taj+ Deaths Choice

    The Jar is so Awesome because of the way rets get multiple weapon swings in one swing allowing us to possibly stack 4 motes in one swing.

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by FooBot
    BT without a doubt over that silly quest sword the proc is very worth it.
    after the 3 nerf not much
    the only reason Bryntroll come slightly ahead is because of the +55 top end damage and faster speed

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krestus
    I've noticed that some attacks can actually add 2 motes to the trinket. On EJ, they were saying some weird crit or seal mechanic let's that happen.

    Oh and DC > WFS on Rawr but only by 8 DPS, so your 2 trinkets should be Tiny Abom and Death's Choice.

    Hope this helps!

    By the way, you should go to codeplex.com/rawr and download the client. It's surprisingly accurate for a sim program and really easy to use.
    Thanks!

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.


    It's gotta be BT right? OK, every axe wielder who pugs ICC pretty much has it, but I noticed a massive increase in 232 > 267 damage weapons so to 294 surely the increase at lack of stats in justified. Oxheart from Heroic is my dream weapon being a Dwarf and all.
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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krestus

    By the way, you should go to codeplex.com/rawr and download the client. It's surprisingly accurate for a sim program and really easy to use.
    You can also use the online version Web Based Rawr
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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Requital
    You can also use the online version Web Based Rawr
    Thanks, I'll try that then

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Bryntroll has higher top end dmg, more strength, and the proc. It is a better weapon.

    Also, the reason TaJ is such a great trinket for Pallies, is because we have so many abilities that can proc a mote. therefore allowing us to get the most use out of it.

    I think those are simple and convincing enough answers.
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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nienniora
    after the 3 nerf not much
    the only reason Bryntroll come slightly ahead is because of the +55 top end damage and faster speed
    Not all though.

    The Drain Life does abotu 4% of my overall damage.

    The stats you lost from Quel Dalar, even ignoring the top end damage, would not make up that 4%.

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    Re: Ret pally: Bryntroll or Quel Delar? + trinket question.

    Weapon DPS means so much more to us because 2 of our main abilities are down to % wep dmg in Crusader Strike and Divine Storm, so Bryn'troll is definately going to be better.

    As the the trinket's go for TAJ and Death's Choice, TAJ is so good because it is so easy to ramp up the stacks of mote's and the mote hit also proc's a full seal hit (obviously will hit harder with T10 4pc aswell).

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