Yet you still miss the point and you wear the kingslayer in your sig like you have any clue about heroic.
I understood the point and I didn't say they're there in an ideal group comp, just that they're not completely worthless: Paragon H LK 25 @ Stratfu. Edit: notice how I didn't defend Shams. Those guys do suck. Except for my WoA totem. And Heroism. That's about it though.