God I have been waiting so long for this Blizz!! I am crying sweet tears of joy
God I have been waiting so long for this Blizz!! I am crying sweet tears of joy
I hope they keep the presences the same as they are now, just so that Blood specs never use blood presence, Frost specs never use frost presence, and no one ever uses unholy presence.
It'll be one more red flag to look out for to tell if you're dealing with a regular DK, or a competent one.
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I can't believe it, am I dreaming?
I love that change.
Blood since level 55, blood forever, I rolled the DK to tank (hell why would I roll a melee dps in a world where melee dps are abundant like sand on a desert), and I loved the self-healing of blood, the thing that I missed in the warrior class so much.
From my first Ramparts run I had to endure all those "you can't tank as blood" "you oughta respec frost", being refused invites to stuff like normal UK or Gundrak because "DKs are noobs and blood is for dps". But I endured. I made my way into tanking, if 5 groups refused me a spot, I found 6th which would give me a chance.
Later on, when Blood was already accepted tank spec, I was still encountering people telling me I can't
- tank heroic HOR as blood, mate, impossible, you need frost to hold aoe aggro here
- kite rotface slimes as blood
- "don't tell me you gonna tank Toravon as blood?", from rogue, oh yeah lol, true story
To all you "frost is tank tree, blood is for dps, respec frost to tank" people:
IN YOUR FACE.
Only makes me wonder which stance are they gonna take on 2h vs. dual wield tanking? Keep both viable or kill one?
Really really not happy with this change to be honest, i love playing Blood as DPS. Unholy was just as enjoyable for me.
Ah well might as well get used to it, though that doesn't mean i have to like it :-\
I completely understand the reasoning behind these changes. DK talents really are a pain in the arse, it requires a lot more investigation into builds then others who just stick to specific talent trees (For the most part anyway). With the passive bonuses, it would just get worse.
But seriously, I'm going to have to relearn both of my specs in Cataclysm, pretty much entirely. I DPS as Blood, which won't be possible, and tank in Frost, which also won't be possible. I know other classes are having major changes done to their talents...but it isn't like being forced out of your preferred specs.
I know people like blood for the self healing, but really, blood is a very effective DPS, as is unholy. Frost...not so much, from what I've seen. Why couldn't they just take the not-so-good Frost and make it a complete tank spec?
Hopefully they can make it up to us blood DPS by showing off new and interesting unholy/frost talents.
Or rather make frost really good dual wield dps spec, a big come back of "rogue in plate"?Originally Posted by TyrannoTitan
I don't dual wield, I dislike that playstyle, but it's a shame for people who enjoy it how it was treated like an unloved step-child.
Makes me only wonder what about dual wield tanking, will they abandon the idea or give blood choice between dual wield and 2h tanking? Well, I hope they won't make dual wield tanking the only option instead.
I also never understood since 3.0 why frost was supposed to be a tanking tree?
It had emphasis on:
- spell damage
- dual wield
- slowing and cc
All of those was screaming to me "melee version of a frost mage" and I expected it to be directed towards pvp dps, which it really wasn't... shame.
Also actually back then in 3.0 frost was rumoured to be "THE tank spec" while it was the weakest of all 3, unholy was king of aoe threat with the old unholy blight and other tools, and also had much more toughness with stuff like stamina from shadow of death.
So sad to see how unholy tanks got shafted because "they were too OP on sarth +3" they got nerfed to the ground.
gay i already use blood to tank but i use it to dps too its my favorite dps spec
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This is actually a REALLY cool idea.Originally Posted by wbeck85
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It would be easy to make the switch in presences. Some minor tweaking and make the changes fit the tree. This is my guess:
Blood Presence - Health Return. Armor Bonus. Uncrittable. Like Frost presence but you lose the stamina for the health return.
Improved Blood Presence - Probably where the stamina will be along with usual benefits. The reason to put the stamina in the talent is for PvP reasons.
Frost Presence - Current Unholy Presence. Fits frost's new role really well with the emphasis on Haste. It will need the 1 sec GCD as it's going to be spammy otherwise.
Improved Frost Presence - Same as Improved Unholy Presence.
Unholy Presence - Magic damage bonus. Emphasizes Unholy's strength in magic and diseases. Probably balanced so only Unholy would use it but they wouldn't use Frost either.
We find out in two days.
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Thank you Blizzard for ruining my DPS tree.
omg Heart strike spam FTL lol, about time....
Lolwut? The fuck you not using an Unholy tree for? You should be whining if they got rid of Unholy if all you care about is DPS.Originally Posted by Stacia
That's honestly why they had to do it. DK's effectively had 6 trees (every tree was viable in DPS and Tanking). Not to make it sound ranty, but that's kind of bullshit to the other classes. Taking out PvP/PvE bullcrap (Tank is tank, DPS is DPS, pvp talents won't change that), it's honestly something that needed to be done, to help DK's as well. No wonder DK's got their bad stereotype...they leveled 80 and were told they could tank or DPS no matter tree they went with. It's just stupid.
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I like this concept
I am with you on that boat, cheer up mate. On the other hand i totally see why they are asking for tank tree. Too bad it was so complicated to have both in one tree (balance, tools, ...).Originally Posted by Pythagoreant
this really makes me sad. i liked the ability to have any spec viable for both tanking and dpsing. im tired of all the classes having one cookie cutter spec for every roll. as a DK, especially recently, you could choose from 3 dif specs for dps, and a few for tanking as well. sure some specs were better than others, but at least they were viable and if you were a good player you could do well with any reasonable spec.
Death Knights had the most variety out of any class in the game. They're able to take a look at all three trees and do two distinct roles within each. This made the ultimate class for people that like to switch it up constantly. The removal of this variety will not hurt the game, but it will hurt the class's potential to be more enjoyable. I don't like this change, and it seems like the wrong direction the game should be going in. With that said, I hadn't planned on returning to Cataclysm as a Death Knight anyway. This kind of homogenization doesn't make me want to return at all.
I say this not because I previously played a Death Knight, but because I feel anyone should be able to pick a class and play how they choose within it's limits. One may argue that they are simply switching those limits around, but to that I would suggest the verb constricting. If they view this as a success, future classes and tree modifications will be constricted as well. While this will ultimately provide an easier game to balance, it will yield too many classes that feel similar or stale.
A good game can't attain balance by flicking a light switch. I'm just going to hope they revoke this change and backwards thinking before they dumb down this game too much.
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