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  1. #501

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    @topic: This what i wait for when the DK can tank too.. Coz i much prefer them as tank specially those elemental bosses that need magic defense and a normal defense for normal attacks.
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  2. #502

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Kreuzung
    ... I enjoyed the fact that you could be creative ...
    !!!
    About ninja'pullers ... if joke, might ask himself if tank will appreciate the joke,
    because as night elf tank i return the joke and i shadowmeld, let him die,
    then get back to my job relax mode ...

  3. #503

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Well. I'm glad to see you guys havent disappointed me with useless QQing. This change was needed because of the passive talent tree buffs. Or did you think the frost tree's passive buff of haste or the UH tree's passive buff of spell dmg was going to help out your tanking? Blood makes the most sense. It has last stand, blood tap, & mark of blood. All awesome tanking talents. Switch Bone Shield with Hysteria & a couple other tanking talents & it's done.

    If you hadnt thought about it, with ArP nolonger a stat on gear, you'd use the exact same gems & enchants for Blood & UH. The only thing that would change in the rotation is swapping heart strike for scourge strike. That change killed a need to have multiple 2h dps specs. They wouldnt make it frost, since that's the dw tree. Most high end DK tanks are blood anyway.

    You can still level as Blood. I leveled my Pally as prot, before dual specs. Blood's self healing will still make it good for soloing/leveling. Stop acting like the sky is falling. I heal heroics & raids, & can say without question DKs take the most dmg of any tank class right now. Having to stack hots on them constantly, or spam heals on them, when an equally geared pally, war, or druid requires little to no healing, is annoying. And I'm talking about high end DKs who tanked the Lich King before the ICC zone buffs, so dont bother with "that DK must have sucked". No, they dont. DK tanking was just badly designed all around. Clearly Blizz agrees, since they are changing it.

    I am curious to see what they do with DRW & Abom's might. I'd love to see them leave AbM in the blood tree. But DRW is clearly a dps talent. Not sure what tree they should put it in thou. I dont want to lose Gargoyle or HB, thou I'd rather have DRW than HB.

  4. #504

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    I don't really mind which tree they want to make the tank tree, but I do expect single target dps to be just as viable with frost/unholy as it currently is with blood. Preferably unholy. I have never enjoyed playing frost as either tank or damage when that was viable. Currently my dual-spec is blood dps and blood tank. So while I'm happy about blood tanking I really want a good single target dps spec to replace blood. Otherwise I'll only be dps'ing on my warrior/ret pally/combat rogue. Sorry I'm a melee addict.

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    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Really gonna miss Frost Tanking in CATA. :'(

  6. #506

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonberry
    The few of us who enjoyed blood? Blood being the top dps spec?

    Hell, I know most people loved blood and hated using the other 2 specs when blood was subpar. Now that blood is viable again, they turn it into prot.

    Lol. DKs get screwed.
    I have to agree.

    That means frost will be a DPS spec :-\

    I am currently blood DPS and frost tank.

  7. #507

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Takari
    Well. I'm glad to see you guys havent disappointed me with useless QQing. This change was needed because of the passive talent tree buffs. Or did you think the frost tree's passive buff of haste or the UH tree's passive buff of spell dmg was going to help out your tanking? Blood makes the most sense. It has last stand, blood tap, & mark of blood. All awesome tanking talents. Switch Bone Shield with Hysteria & a couple other tanking talents & it's done.

    If you hadnt thought about it, with ArP nolonger a stat on gear, you'd use the exact same gems & enchants for Blood & UH. The only thing that would change in the rotation is swapping heart strike for scourge strike. That change killed a need to have multiple 2h dps specs. They wouldnt make it frost, since that's the dw tree. Most high end DK tanks are blood anyway.

    You can still level as Blood. I leveled my Pally as prot, before dual specs. Blood's self healing will still make it good for soloing/leveling. Stop acting like the sky is falling. I heal heroics & raids, & can say without question DKs take the most dmg of any tank class right now. Having to stack hots on them constantly, or spam heals on them, when an equally geared pally, war, or druid requires little to no healing, is annoying. And I'm talking about high end DKs who tanked the Lich King before the ICC zone buffs, so dont bother with "that DK must have sucked". No, they dont. DK tanking was just badly designed all around. Clearly Blizz agrees, since they are changing it.

    I am curious to see what they do with DRW & Abom's might. I'd love to see them leave AbM in the blood tree. But DRW is clearly a dps talent. Not sure what tree they should put it in thou. I dont want to lose Gargoyle or HB, thou I'd rather have DRW than HB.
    i agree there is alot of QQing over realy not alot of info atm. However you missed the point of some of the qq's and that is the flexability of the DK and its ability to tank in any tree was the most appealing characteristic for some people, myself included.

    i doubt very much the reasons behind this are totaly in our favor to make it fairer for dk's to have "XXXX" talent for tanking like other tank classes. If you look at each of the trees, all of them have several speciality abilities for tanking, or can be used as such. All dk's had to do was just use a little common sense and a bit of skill.

    If you ask me this change is brought about to lower the high number of this class on some/most/all realms.

    I would like to have more specific information before making judgement on this change simply because it could go badly wrong or very right. Either way it will make the class less appealing to me as it is most certainly the least boring tanking class to play, and to play it well requires skill. However if its going to go the same path as all the other classes that tank which is " This is your tanking talent tree, or a slightly different version. use it or your a nab" then i honestly can see myself and most of the skilled dk tanks that play their class well leaving this and going back to their more original class.

    which basicly means more nabs who havent a clue and less skilled players. (in theory that is)

    Hopefuly with some more specific info we will know what it is they are thinking of changing and can actualy make a more than clueless guess.


  8. #508

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by DeusX
    The only people with the right to QQ a bit are the Blood DPS dks's. All Frost or Unholy tanks will find bits of their talents condensed into the blood tree, so if you liked tanking Frost, you'll still have your toys in Cata. Probably not the dualwield but.. cmon, wtf tanking is that with 2 weapons? It doesn't even sound menacing enoug.
    And probably they will let sub-speccing into DW in case you choose points from frost as subspec, so tanks will be able to be DW blood too, probably. Or whatever...
    I diasgree completely, I have always despised blood and loved tanking since I made my dk and I feel that dks get their deathtard rep largely thanks to all the bad dps playing that faceroll spec, now I'm going to be forced to play it? Bad blizz, frost was unique because of all the options it had for pulling, from popping deathchill and using howling blast, to the noob crutch that is dnd, to the little known hungering cold(for putting frost fever up)+ howling blast combo. No other tank constantly changed the way he pulled in between waves and it's all getting killed. I know alot of people go on about blizz ruining the game every update it seems like but, this is the first time I've ever been dissapointed by blizz.

  9. #509

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    finally ;D

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