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  1. #481

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Blood tanking was always superior just by a little bit. Frost DW tanking is just too fun to be the better tanking spec.

  2. #482

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    If you didnt see this coming you havent been keeping up with the announcements. There would be no way the mastery system could work with hybrid trees. A DPS with 5% passage dodge or 6% less magic damage is not what blizzard wants to see. Plus blizzard has already announce the mastery talents for the frost tree:

    "Frost Death Knight

    For each talent point spent in the Frost tree, the death knight also gets:
    Damage – Improves your melee and spell damage by X%.
    Haste – Improves your melee Haste by Y%. This might allow us to remove some of the Haste in the Icy Talons line of talents.
    Runic Power – Improves the rate of runic power generated by abilities. While all death knights want runic power, Frost death knights would generally have more runic power than Blood or Unholy death knights (who would receive a different benefit from their respective trees). Mastery on gear would boost this bonus, and no other talent tree would grant it."

    So why would anyone believe it would be still used for tanking?
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  3. #483

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Really sucks for me and allot of others that LOVED the blood DPS tree. I leveled as it, geared as it and raided as it and now its going :'(.
    Anyways, I hate Unholy and anyone that says that they are the same thing w/ a Ghoul obviously haven't played both of them properly.
    The only other alternative is Frost DW, which I don't really like either. Man I hope Frost 2H will be viable in Cata...

  4. #484

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Not sure how i feel about this... i love frost DW tanking and its more unique then any other tanking style in game. ???

  5. #485

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Does this mean DK tanks might suck less? ??? qq

    Everytime I get one in a random group they're horrible and usually I just leave.

  6. #486

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by LXIX
    One more thing: Can we expect to say good riddance to the talents that are deep into the other trees?

    No more acclimation? It was a fun talent that never got to see it's potential.

    What about the fun dps talents taken along with blood tanking? No more hysteria? No more abominations might? (Not saying you should take these but...) sudden doom? Blood worms? Dancing Rune Weapon? Those are almost solely dps increases. Will those go the way of the dodo?

    I just don't like the idea of everything being scrapped that had room for improvement b/c the lead designers are lazy.

    Oh I don't mean lazy, i mean looking out for the "good of the people". Ridiculous.
    You really need to wake up and smell the coffee. The amount of time that blizzard has taken to balance Dk's is insane. There are other classes out there, and instead of considering only one part of the population they are considering the best for all the population. If you knew anything about government this would make perfect sense. They shouldn't conform to the minority, but to the masses.

    Not to mention if you have looked back you would have known that Blood is THE tanking spec, and the unholy or frost have been the most vitiable dps spec's. So take your alt QQ and tell it to someone who cares. This is in the best interests of the game, and if you cannot accept it then go back to rune scape.
    "If you want to play the game how you want, do so, but don't do it with me. If you wanna play super mario brothers and just jump up and down until the clock runs out and you die, by all means do it when I'm not player two and waiting for you to stop being an asshole."

  7. #487

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Epic failure of a copout Blizzard.

  8. #488

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Ok honestly, this is the biggest amount of bollocks I've seen in a while.

    I have been tanking in this game since before TBC, because it's what I enjoy the most and what I seem to be the best at. I chose the DK class to tank in WotLK because Blizzard completely ruined my warrior with the changes (tanked through Sunwell, yes pre-nerf). The thing I have enjoyed about playing the DK as a tank class is it's high versatility. I do admit this is somewhat hypocritical because I have been a Blood DK tank from DAY ONE. I have poured too much time into learning the finer points of the class including gearing, specs, theorycrafting and not reading EJ or having anyone else spoon feed me a gear list or rotation; only for this to happen. The DK class was the only truly inventive class left in the game in my opinion. People joke about "rofl dk rollface lololol", but to be a good DK, such is not the case. And what now, Blizzard (Ghostcrawler) does what it is that they have learned to do, homogenize classes, content, the WoW experience, etc.. This is ridiculous and I've grown weary of this, I think this may be the thing that breaks me.

  9. #489

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzlorr
    Ugh, I can't stand Blood, looks like I got dual spec for nothing.
    start pvping??


    Anyway, I really like this change though im suprised they didnt pick frost as frost seems to stand for less damage considering that frost is really hard and blood would seem more like a dps specc with the healing abilities.

  10. #490

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    A great change in my opinion. Death Knight talents were sure getting confusing, especially in comparison to the other classes. I'm glad Blizzard acknowledges the fact that their generosity in allowing players to be versatile, ended up making talent trees filled with talents that are doing three different things each. Yes, Death Knight tanks may feel like they become homogenized and yes, Blood Dps (such as me) may feel facerolled, but in the end i am sure it will work out just fine. Mages have to live with the fact that Frost is (not yet) a valiable raid specc, even though there are probably a lot of Mages who would love to toss some Frostbolts at the boss' face like in the old days. Same will go for Blood when Cataclysm launches.

    I believe that classes are not being homogenized, especially with the introduction of Mastery. And if you'd still have the feeling that guildie's Death Knight seems a lot like your own Death Knight, then there is Path of the Titans. Sure, some classes share similar abilities but that's to improve playing convenience. I really would QQ seeing more encounters like Instructor Razuvious introduced, where your raid is dependant of the ability of one single class.

    Plus, Blizzard hasn't released it's topic about Death Knight changes yet. Who knows what it brings =)

  11. #491

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    I <3 Tanking. I <3 DK tanking; Blizz has homogenized the shit out of this game to make it 'accessible' ($$$) - I will miss the only class that still afforded creative players an inventive approach to talent, gear and playstyle choices - ie the DK class has alot of viable ways to get the job done.

    By the same token, these changes are probably needed (sad face) and should help balance pve and lesson pvp-related pve nerfs (happy face). Alas I will hold final judgment until I can play the final, Cataclysm version.

    Take it or leave it everyone, this is the World of Newcraft.

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    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by symbiont
    Does this mean DK tanks might suck less? ??? qq

    Everytime I get one in a random group they're horrible and usually I just leave.
    I really, really enjoy getting the "omg, a DK tank who doesnt suck!" comments while tanking with my dk...
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  13. #493

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    I <3 Tanking. I <3 DK tanking; Blizz has homogenized the shit out of this game to make it 'accessible' ($$$) - I will miss the only class that still afforded creative players an inventive approach to talent, gear and playstyle choices - ie the DK class has alot of viable ways to get the job done.

    By the same token, these changes are probably needed (sad face) and should help balance pve and lesson pvp-related pve nerfs (happy face). Alas I will hold final judgment until I can play the final, Cataclysm version.

    Take it or leave it everyone, this is the World of Newcraft.

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    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    at last !!! finally a proper tank tree
    frost was good and fun but was very healer dependent im chuffed blood will be THE tank tree as it makes so much sense,, dreadplate and antimagic shell in blood tree NOW pls ;P
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  15. #495

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Well, I'm really disappointed with this. One of the best things about the Death Knight was the ability to play whatever you liked best, doing what you liked to do with it. And I really enjoyed being blood dps, something different with a unique play-style. My off-spec was a frost tank spec that was really fun to use in heroics.

    I hate that now we'll have no choice in what we can do: if you like blood's rotation for dps, tough, you have to respec. Like frost tanking? Being removed... It's just limiting the choices, and I'm really disappointed that blizzard is using this to 'fix' the problem, which, as far as I'm concerned is not a huge issue at all.

  16. #496

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    Damn I love my Frost PvP tank spec!!!!!!

    NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

    Buff Unholy!!!!!!

    I want new Pet other then stupid Ghoul!!!!!

  17. #497

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    A little disappointing for the Death Knight to lose some flexibility, but it will probably result in a stronger design. I'm personally glad they chose Blood as the tank tree over Frost or Unholy.

    On the bright side, assuming Frost stays the exclusive dual wielding tree, at least we'll no longer have to struggle with threat against a DK who thinks he's supposed to tank with a pair of 1.5-speed warrior swords.
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  18. #498

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    fail >.> frost should be the tanking tree but w.e. all blood give's for tanking is healing? so yea like i said fail :-X

  19. #499

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Quote Originally Posted by Kamtali
    ... Concept of talents is worthless if you do not have choice.
    It is about same fun as just checking tank/dps option in menu. ...
    ^ This is very true. Diablo2 became boring when they introduced talent synergies, then exactly this happened: Concept of talents is worthless if you do not have choice.

    There are few main reasons i really started to enjoy playing DK and all reasons are related to one main problem, is called let say "liberty" ... DK is a flexible class as it is now, you have options, you can make hybrids, that if you understand why you choose certain talents you can play well a hybrid for the special purpose you configured your character like that.

    I love Blood Tree for pve, i can both dps or tank with same spec heroics, and some 10 man instances not having high'end gear, if i want to tank harder encounters i go respec to a solid tanking blood spec.

    I love Blood Tree because if i dps or tank i have almost same rotation, + few extra survival abilities in case i play the pure tanking spec. and most of my shortcuts are the same.

    I play pvp as Unholy atm, so considering i usually dont tank yet harder encounters, having pve dps blood tree used as both tank and dps and offspec unholy for pvp i actually have 3 spec.

    DK as is now is a class that offer allot of options, you are free to think a bit out of the box, experiment while most other classes don't have this great feature, ofc this allow some players to make stupid decisions because they doesn't understand exactly why the choose certain talents .... but those players whatever you do for them, they will make stupid decisions anyway in the way they play their character, is up to you to avoid those players in the manner you manage to do that.

    Making dedicated tanking class will push the other 2 trees to become more dps dedicated trees, then as we can expect one will become more pvp tree other more pve tree, and DK will become like most classes ...

    Blizzard suggested that they want to remove the so many "passive" talents that improve dps and make the talents the way we can choose between more "optional" talents to spice our play'style in a more personal way ...
    till i really see this ... are empty words, because Blizzard said many things and they did many things to create the illusion the do things while actually many things are not done ... i salute the improvements that they've done, same time WotLK was a payed beta, they changed things all time. i cant remember how many times i already had to regem my gear not because of experimenting but because the changes made. ...

    I start to believe the new blizzard marketing model is this to change all things all time, to keep the game "interesting" and "fresh" and keep ppl all time "busy" so they will not be bored... and since the army of the ppl who just swallow anything that blizzard is feeding them is too big our words is kind of useless ... so i quote you again:
    Quote Originally Posted by Kamtali
    P.S. And yeah, I know that warcraft is here for masses, not few enthusiasts. Who cares about my game experience when whole army of DKKillers, SlayerDKs, LOLDKLOLOLOLs will have their game nice and easy finally and will hapilly pay their subscriptions. That is the business decision and good one. It is my fault I fall in wrong category.
    Blizzard noticed with WotLK that most ppl still play this whatever the changes they do, ppl will just swallow everything, the fact they announce and they talk so nice in "shiny" blue posts is just to create the illusion they care about the community, while thay change and do whatever they want ...

    This is happening because there isn't any real competition on the market for this game, and when i say real,
    i am talking about a game of same genre but not a wow "copy"... while others try to copy wow will never be competition ... i pray for the day i can chose other game as i love this genre.

    About ninja'pullers ... if joke, might ask himself if tank will appreciate the joke,
    because as night elf tank i return the joke and i shadowmeld, let him die,
    then get back to my job relax mode ...

  20. #500

    Re: Death Knights will tank as Blood in Cataclysm

    Yay! Let's dumb it down even more! I rolled my DK to 80 as a tank because I enjoyed the fact that you could be creative and still be successful if your skill was up to the task. I guess this just means I have one less toon to trudge up to 85, if any at all.


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