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  1. #161

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    So let's get this straight.

    1) Whirlwind damage goes from 100% to 50%. Currently hits 4 targets, will hit unlimited in the future. This will be a massive nerf, how often is there > 8 targets?
    2) Heroic Leap, currently not slated for use in combat and is just a fancy looking charge+thunderclap.
    3) Sunder armor takes a huge bite from 20% to 12%.
    4) Heroic Strike no longer usable on main hand swings.
    5) Heroic Strike now like execute, usable during the entire fight, but likely less damage and still burns a GCD.
    6) Mortal Strike goes from 50% to 20%.


    So, where are the buffs? Warriors virtually received NOTHING and lost many previous skills. The rage "boosts" are countered by the fact we no longer get rage based on our swings, but on an arbitrary number equal for all warriors.

    Also, new fury warrior rotation.

    BT, HS, HS, BT, HS, HS, BT, HS, HS, BT slam?

  2. #162

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Gushing Wound = Gork Say's stop
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  3. #163

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Just wanted to add, GC made a post on the warrior class description thread saying that most dots (other than those caused by crits like ignite and deep wounds) will crit, so that includes Rend and Gushing Wound.
    I wonder if WW means a change in other similar skills. Chaining cleaving abilities became a big dps strategy in Wrath raiding, with several fights depending on players damaging adds while maintaining single target dps. Perhaps they plan to change other cleaves too?
    As for the simplified Fury rotation, I see BT, Slam, Sunder Armor, Heroic Strike fillers and a lot more rage management. Seems OK to me.

  4. #164

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by Horace
    1) HEROIC LEAP IS BACK, BABY!

    2) I'm relieved that we're not getting "THAT" changed. I mean, it could be much worse, I only play a prot warrior though, so DPS I'm not too bothered about, but Vengeance seems rather nice. I mean, ~5000ap (considering a probable 50000hp unbuffed healthpool at 85?) to scale up threat is pretty nice.
    It'll be a LOT more than 50k ubbuffed I'm sure.
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  5. #165

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by Talho
    Whirlwind will hit an unlimited number of targets, but only for 50% of weapon damage. The intent is for this ability to be used in multi-target scenarios and not on single targets.


    Do you guys not the see nerf of Whirlwind from 100% weapon damage to 50% weapon damage?! WTF!, this was our hardest hitting single target ability! (single WW dmg > single BT dmg), and now nerfing it in half cause they want us to only use it for aoe??

    What other ability are they giving us for fury rotation then? Are we just going to go BT, free GCD, free GCD, BT, free GCD, free GCD, BT, free GCD, free GCD??
    looking for another ability we will use on a free GCD? you should read blueposts carefully....think about the heroic strike changes which will make it a completely different attack

    as a protection warrior I have expected some changes today but it looks like yesterday with one more GCD consuming ability to deal with and maybe some funny rage management

  6. #166

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by Nate1493
    So let's get this straight.

    1) Whirlwind damage goes from 100% to 50%. Currently hits 4 targets, will hit unlimited in the future. This will be a massive nerf, how often is there > 8 targets?
    2) Heroic Leap, currently not slated for use in combat and is just a fancy looking charge+thunderclap.
    3) Sunder armor takes a huge bite from 20% to 12%.
    4) Heroic Strike no longer usable on main hand swings.
    5) Heroic Strike now like execute, usable during the entire fight, but likely less damage and still burns a GCD.
    6) Mortal Strike goes from 50% to 20%.
    I hate you for stating that but unfortunately it seems very true.

    With more CC'ing, there is no use to WW unless you want to f* up your raid.
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  7. #167

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Heroic Leap will clearly make it.

    As some have said, it's not THAT big a deal, because it is sharing a cooldown with Charge.

    Good changes though, I think Blizzard are doing a good job so far.

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    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by dumkin
    I can perfectly press charge followed by a thunder clap myself.
    You don't understand how fun the ability will be. Gunship jetpacks anyone?

    Nothing can hold me back!

  9. #169

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Surprised noone has mentioned working Shouts into your DPS rotation considering the Rage return from them like DK's HoW.

  10. #170

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Abit dissapointed, or well curious what they'll do with Fury... they can't really have 1 skill for us to use with heroic strike spam and slam procs, must be something more, hopefully there will be a Q&A for warriors soon'ish

    but Heroic leap DO sound fun, i just hope you dont need a target to use it but can chose where to jump

  11. #171

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Heroic Leap + Gushing Wound + Blitz

    my warrior approves ;D
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  12. #172

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by dumkin
    I am so dissapointed.

    Neither of the new abilities are made from a protection warrior point of view. And NO, heroic leap is not interesting, I can perfectly press charge followed by a thunder clap myself. Lets queue up 2 abilities and call it something new! Way to go Blizzard, your developers are sure creative over there!
    Eh?

    It's a charge, a thunder clap, AND a stun. The stun is the definite reason why you should use it as Prot. It creates an initial time when a mob won't hit that you can use to position yourself for hitting them all with a Shockwave. This has potential for great threat value. It may not be very original, yeah, but damn it, you're JUMPING IN THE AIR AND SLAMMING INTO ENEMIES. How badass is that?

    And Gushing Wound could have the potential to create a nice, constant threat value if the target is moving, which could very well happen in some Cataclysm fights. It may not be our main threat tool, but it's a bonus, and already better than what Rend is.

    I really don't know why you're disappointed. These changes REALLY make me want to get my Warrior to 85 quickly.

  13. #173

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground
    Comments like this make me wonder how much intelligence people have. You sir need to not play my game. The statements you made are irrational and uncoordinated, which makes you insane. Id you don't know what preview means I suggest you look it up and then slit your wrists and die in a corner.
    you sir just made an totally meaningless comment....instead of bashing me you could just prof me wrong or state what you think about that stuff.....congrats on being a fail person.
    i know what preview means....this is why i said IF. maybe you would look that up?
    and maybe blizz should think about what they preview....and now back to YAY heroic leap.....i dont care

  14. #174

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    I think it looks very good!

    Aoe nerf for warriors i don't care about since i hope Blizz just nerfs aoe all over. No more aoe fest a la wotlk pls.

    The rage management seems awesome. Mindlessy spamming retards will have a really hard time to get it right. Will for sure drop them way below 10% less.
    More depth in dps! Yes pls.

    Heroic leap is great, and it's not just another charge with different looks. Now one can actually jump up to things which charge won't do.
    It would be more awesome without having a target requirement thou like it was in wotlk beta.

    Only concern for me is the weap specializations which i've liked since vanilla. That different weapons actually matter for warriors. I'm hoping they won't take it away.

  15. #175

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKnubbles
    You don't understand how fun the ability will be. Gunship jetpacks anyone?
    If the jetpacks targetted the mage if you clicked it once and targetted a pre-determined area on your own ship if you click it again.... then yeah. It will be like a charge with a flying effect+TC to a target. Not to a selected area. Which basicly renders the ability incredibly useless as it's only usable out of combat so far.

    Im just waiting to see what the other classes get but I will probably not stick to warrior.
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  16. #176

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKnubbles
    You don't understand how fun the ability will be. Gunship jetpacks anyone?
    Sorry, Im more into useful abilities than fun abilities. :\
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    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    Quote Originally Posted by Xcruiser
    Surprised noone has mentioned working Shouts into your DPS rotation considering the Rage return from them like DK's HoW.
    You don't have to work them into the rotation, their rage generation would be situational only as far as I can tell like horn of winter.
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  18. #178

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    didnt see anybody mention this. but they removed 5% crit from zerker stance

    first impression as pve dps warrior.

    Where is the new stuff?

    Reflecting most things on the current state of warriors it feel like nerfs or nothing new cool to look out for (specially the last)
    -Sunder armor 20% to 12% armor reduction
    -Heroic leap is just charge+Tc. why would we want this
    -Gushing wounds new version of rend. im here to place a big fcxing weapon in a mobs skull not to pinch him so he slowly bleeds
    -removing whirlwind out of fury rotation which already was so few buttons. (i loved our niche where we could be kings on small trash packs and others on the really big).
    -mortal strike from 50% to 20%
    -1h or 2h fury. easy to predict 1 spec will be better, everybody will go for that, end of story
    -The Furious Sundering, why do they call this new, we already sundered in berserker and had no trouble with threat
    -Arms weapon spec removed only the worst of all remains which is the chance on another swing

    i could go on

    so...can anybody point out what we exactly got new and isnt just a tweak on an ability we already had.


    and i promised myself so much not to call doom when this info comes out and just to wait and see

    /dissapointed for now

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  19. #179

    Re: Cataclysm Class Preview: Warrior

    I really can't make any sense of the heroic strike change, on swing abilities is partially what makes warriors warriors, heroic strike wouldn't have much use if it cost a gcd. But will cleave still be an on swing ability?

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    HEROIC LEAP!

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