This makes little sense.

[darkriver41]

If Assassination is supposed to be the burst tree, why does Subtlety have the finishers now? It sounds like Subtlety will be better at burst than Assassination now.

[K4ge]

Because mutilate is supposed to do damage. (It used to, waaaayyyy back before 3.0.9)

[darkriver41]

But shouldn't Assassination have Eviscerate? And probably Ambush too, if it's supposed to be the main burst tree.

[Voij]

With that logic, Assassination should have Killing Spree, as that is atm the biggest burst in WoW.

[darkriver41]

It's not *my* logic; they said Assassination is supposed to be the burst/crit tree.

[Wingedtoast]

But shouldn't Assassination have Eviscerate? And probably Ambush too, if it's supposed to be the main burst tree.

Envenom is better, and opening with mutilate from stealth is better than ambush so we dont need those at all..

It sounds to be like the main focus of Assassination will be high crits, relatively low white hits compared to the mutilate damage.. and poison damage probably unchanged

[darkriver41]

opening with mutilate from stealth is better than ambush so we dont need those at all..

Envenom is only better because Assassination's poison damage is so retardedly high now, and the above shouldn't be the case and is a design flaw.

I don't know about you guys but the traditional burst finisher--Eviscerate--not being in the burst tree doesn't make any sense.

[Wanky]

I think Blizzard meant that they want to arrange talents around for Cataclysm so it's like that.

[K4ge]

The joke is actually, that in a raid environment ss will hit harder than mutilate. my avergade mutilate doublecrit is just short of 8k, our combatrogue with very similar gear does 9k sinister strikes :>

[Voij]

Envenom is only better because Assassination's poison damage is so retardedly high now, and the above shouldn't be the case and is a design flaw.

I don't know about you guys but the traditional burst finisher--Eviscerate--not being in the burst tree doesn't make any sense.

Problem with melees is, that "highest burst" does not equal having the highest hitting attacks. They're usually kinda related, but it's not always the case.
(Ofc there're not really all that many melees with multiple choices in specs, but oh well...)

[Taalyn]

The joke is actually, that in a raid environment ss will hit harder than mutilate. my avergade mutilate doublecrit is just short of 8k, our combatrogue with very similar gear does 9k sinister strikes :>

Your combat rogue is most likely gearing for ArP and using ArP gems, which will get SS crits that high. I hope you aren't doing the same for Mutilate.

[K4ge]

Mutilate is still a talented 55 energy cp builder, whereas sinister strike a 40 energy base attack is

[Fogsworth]

From my experiance as a rogue & a warrior

Bladestorm+sweepingstrikes+recklessness does more burst than killingspree :P

Its always fun while defending strand of the ancients to get em with it while there just coming off the boat ;D

[SoulPoetry]

Mutilate is still a talented 55 energy cp builder, whereas sinister strike a 40 energy base attack is

yes, but with nearing 100% arp, muti would probably double crit for similar amounts, not to mention it crits a lot more due to Puncturing Wounds and gemming/gearing for agi with crit/haste on most pieces while SS will crit harder due to Prey on the Weak.

[vkei]

Killing Spree with 2 danngers will not do as much damage as combat , still make sence to me if they swap the 51 pointer , combat means to have better DPS for a long fight ,HfB is perfectly the 51 point there

the problem is that , they won't let someone having really high brust damage because of PvP , they chosen to nerf every singal brust in WotLK for the balance , but it doesn't work ,so they are tring to up the HP in cata , lets hope there comes the changes