It's that time again! PuG loot drama story time.

[bigfoot1291]

Hey all. Just a heads up, this is NOT a QQ thread. I guess it's almost a reverse QQ thread, in regarding my story at least.
This is a story all about how my life got flipped turned upside down about a 25 man ICC PuG that I was doing on my Shadow Priest alt. Everything's going fine, we get up to Marrowgar and pull him and kill him, no problems. Nothing in particular dropped that I wanted, but a caster neck piece dropped (with spirit) that a warlock (with 226 resil neck piece, naturally) rolled on and won. We continue on to Deathwhisper, again no issues. Again, nothing really drops that I'm interested in.

We get to gunship, obviously no problems in completing the encounter. A hit neck drops that I'm highly interested in. About 4 or 5 people roll on it, me included. A boomkin rolls 3rd highest, I roll 2nd highest, and the warlock who won the neck from Marrowgar rolls highest. The Masterlooter does not realize this, and gives it to him anyways. A minute or two later, people realize, "hey, wait a minute...". Suprisingly, the Warlock makes no fuss over it, and agrees to hand it over. The raid leader tells him to hand it to the next highest roller. This of course being me, I go over to him, open trade, and he gives me the neck.

About a minute later, the boomkin says "wait a minute, I rolled second highest!" I tell him no he didn't. He starts to argue, so I copy / paste my chat log from the rolls. He still denies my roll. All this is being said in raid chat, and there's only a couple other people commenting on it. It was either two or three others, but they were all saying stuff like "<boomkin's name> won the roll, pass it over to him". At this point, I'm thinking in my head.... "fuck you?", but I don't say anything yet. The others defending him start to pick up the pace a bit, though, getting to the point of making comments that don't really even make sense, such as "why did your paste of the rolls have a time for his roll but not yours?", when the copy/paste DID have a time for both rolls.

At this point, I'm starting to get suspicious that these other people are just buddies with the boomkin, trying to score him a free neck in hoping I'm some kind of moron. One of them even said something along the lines of "I'm sitting right beside <boomkin's name>, your roll isn't there." The boomkin proceeds to say "Wow, people can be so inconsiderate and rude". This kind of set me off, and so I say "Dude, I rolled literally directly under the line of where your roll was. It's not my fault you're fucking blind. Here, I'll even take a screenshot of it" (I wasn't sure if this would get me booted from the raid or not [it didn't], but on my server, pugs never go past Saurfang anyways, so it wouldn't be a big loss.) I then do take a screenshot, upload it to photobucket in a matter of 30 seconds and post it in my vent comment, and tell anyone who wants to argue just go to my vent comment. Nothing further was said on the issue after that.

So I guess my question is: IS it possible for a roll to randomly not show up on logs? Was I in the wrong here? (Even if I was, I wasn't about to give up the neck because regardless of if a few people couldn't see it, I still rolled higher) Or were these guys just trying to take advantage of a vulnerable PuG situation? I've been playing for just under two years now, and have never experienced anything like what they were claiming, so JW.

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[Dhurn]

They were probably buddies with the moonkin, happen to check their guild tag? Other people might have just been chiming in for the hell of it because they were idiots though, or don't understand counting principles.

Grats on a new neck.

[bigfoot1291]

They were probably buddies with the moonkin, happen to check their guild tag? Other people might have just been chiming in for the hell of it because they were idiots though, or don't understand counting principles.

Grats on a new neck.

Actually yeah, and that's what was throwing me off - They wern't from the same guild. At least, I don't think.
I can't specifically remember now, but I'm the type of person who checks that sort of stuff, and I would remember if they were, because that would be a huge red flag.

[blizzardcashshop]

not too bad, had 35,000g worth of BOEs drop from the trash before marrowgar last night that were ninja'd by the RL, who did 3.5k dps as a volley spamming 5.8k gs hunter

gave his DW FROST dk friend an armpen sword that someone else won also

good run

[Cirque]

Well. Sometimes you never know if it's bugged or not. I have experienced something similar.

On my tank, we did ToC10. During the raid some item dropped that was handed out to another dude, some plate user, wrongly even though he rolled for it. He gave over the item to the one who won without problem (surprisingly ). At Anub, the onehand tank weapon drops. I was interested in it, rolled for it, and won it. Mind the RL was terrible and kept giving stuff to the wrong people. The other plate user also rolled for OS and he was given the item in mistake and he leaves shortly after.

Here's a very quick recap of what happened after and in the end I he was booted from the guild for being rude. Basically I ask the dude well you got my weapon, can I have it? And he said sure. He ended up in Exodar for some lame mage's joke and I go there, open a trade window. He then suddenly goes "I don't have it". I try to assure him that he has gotten it, the chat even said <item> was given to <name> and the item wasn't on the corpse anymore, but he continues denying and starts being offensive while I was trying to explain to him well look through your bags. He claimed he left before the item was given which was obviously false. But I wondered if, maybe, he did leave right as the item was given, and therefore the item never landed at him and instead disappeared in some kind of bug? When I start voicing this possibility, he really starts being offensive and says stuff like, "well GM it and I hope the GM will take weeks before you get it!!" questioning my ability to understand, insulting me, etc.

In the end I dunno what he said that, for the first time during the conversation, really pissed me off and made him be kicked from the guild.

Point being is, was he honest or was he not? Was there a bug? Would he truly ninja some OS weapon? But if he hadn't, why become so aggressive while I wasn't even accusing him of ninja'ing? When I asked a GM if he could confirm whether the item was in his inventory or not he wouldn't reply out of "privacy" reasons (okay, very private information indeed).


In your case I really think they were being asses. Even if those people weren't his friends, people are sheep. Another story, the Bag of BiS for rogues and ferals dropped from gunship and we had agreed BoEs would be RR like the other BoE that dropped had. The ML RRs, someone wins, start handing out some items, waits a bit until everyone gets impatient, ninjas the item to himself and /rw "LETS GO". Only 3 people actually noticed, my boyfriend, me, and some other dude. We make mention of the ninja in the chat but nobody initially cares, everyone was made impatient by the at least 10 minute wait at Lootship's chest. It took another 10 minute where RL wasn't replying to anything at all that we had finally convinced 10 others or so to realize that the on our server 8k worth chest had been ninja'd. At this point so many people still didn't realize or had read what had been said by others and said stuff like "lets go, what are we waiting for". Only 10 minutes later was the majority of the raid concious of what had happened, and only 1 or 2 said they honestly didn't care. This took 30 minutes before people started leaving in outrage. Clever ninja.

My point being how thick people can be and how easily manipulated.

[Leemon]

only way a roll can not show up as far as i'm aware is if the person viewing it has the person who rolled on ignore

[Zulandia]

Posting the screenshot you already took would up your credibility in this thread, but sounds like they were just being dicks, at least from the biased point of view we can see.

[bigfoot1291]

Posting the screenshot you already took would up your credibility in this thread, but sounds like they were just being dicks, at least from the biased point of view we can see.

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Supertoaster - Me, Spriest
[Name removed], the boomkin, and
[Name removed], the lock.

Don't have a picture of the conversation in /raid, didn't really expect to post this here, but thought about it afterward and figured it would make for an interesting story.
Here's the lock's armory: Armory removed
You can see on his activity that he was awarded the spirit neck that i spoke of, and in the screenshot that he was awarded the hit neck from gunship.

Edit: removed identifying information (naming & shaming). --Sunshine

[Idaho Immortal]

Nah, Wrath. You really didn't deserve the loot. I hate you for leaving Core.

[Yunru]

Rule of the pug. Ignore retards and never raid with them again.

Shepps are just greedy too much.
Greed is a desire to possess more than one needs or deserves.

I had a smiliar situation today with *retarded* raid leader. Leather boots drop and hunter rolls on them--he wins and he gets the item (raid leader didnt check the class). Then its a 10 min drama that leather boots are for rogues/druids and not hunters.

Then we go on lady deathwisper. Boe braces drop. They arent raidrolled but the winner rolls on them (he had them already - and then he pretends he just enchanted/socketed them (he didnt even had enchant profesion--and i hardly belive he had armor vellums). Drama again.

Then the Lootship --Sack of wonders droped--i clearly tell raidleader to RR on them but no. He makes them /roll.
And then mage wins them---but this time raid leader said he needs to give them to rogue. But for rly funny joke this rogue had the chest already and it just enchanted itseld miracesuly (something smells wrong isnt it).

The saurfang. some ppl die but we kill him with no problems. So cloack with spirit drops--shaman rolls on it and it wins but with my interupt on rolling i was actuly able to get the item to right hands (to a healing priest).
To make it more fun raid leader says--fuck this i take this token i was bla bla bla bla--long crap of talk--he takes the token for himself. Then he asks me if i NEED the token (get it?). So i said to him to /roll on it because i dont wana look like ninja (being in a good guild i rly dont want bad reputation even if a alt). So the raid leader rolls i roll 93 , rogue who rolled 94 and some random person who couldnt even used token has rolled 2 times--1st 15 then 96. I tell the raid leader to give the token to rogue (while he stil insist to give it to me), but i was able to make it right.

Then the tank left___raid disaband.

To be even worse--i was raidleading more than him and i presionaly think if i wouldnt give a damn we wound stil wipe on lady. So much for being nice

[Jamara]

well the warlock handed it over to you, obviously he noticed your second highest roll

[darkwarrior42]

Was the moonkin speaking to you only in raid chat? The screenshot was removed (not blaming the mod, btw, just commenting that I can't see the SS so I don't know).

Only reason I ask is we had an issue in a mostly guild run where we pugged 2 people once...my wife was master looter, one of the pugs rolled on something and won, and she passed it to a guild mate. Turns out the pug in question was on her /ignore list, and that apparently blocks his rolls as well; since most of the interaction was done on vent, she had no idea she wasn't seeing anything he put in the chat log. So if the moonkin had you /ignored, he wouldn't have seen your roll... but if you were talking in the raid chat, that obviously wouldn't be the case. Either way, I'm glad you wound up getting the neck if it was yours by rights.

(For the record, we cleared our matter up in a hurry, and he didn't make a big deal about it.)

[bigfoot1291]

Was the moonkin speaking to you only in raid chat? The screenshot was removed (not blaming the mod, btw, just commenting that I can't see the SS so I don't know).

Only reason I ask is we had an issue in a mostly guild run where we pugged 2 people once...my wife was master looter, one of the pugs rolled on something and won, and she passed it to a guild mate. Turns out the pug in question was on her /ignore list, and that apparently blocks his rolls as well; since most of the interaction was done on vent, she had no idea she wasn't seeing anything he put in the chat log. So if the moonkin had you /ignored, he wouldn't have seen your roll... but if you were talking in the raid chat, that obviously wouldn't be the case. Either way, I'm glad you wound up getting the neck if it was yours by rights.

(For the record, we cleared our matter up in a hurry, and he didn't make a big deal about it.)

Yeah, the boomkin and his friends were communicating clearly with me, definitely was not on ignore.
And I fail to see the "shaming" in my picture, just the "naming" I'd re-up it with blocked out names or something but I don't think anyone cares enough for me to do it.
Schnazz,
Everyone in Core hates me.

[Khash]

post a screenshot with all the names scribbled or blurred out and just point out yours and the boomkins roll

[bigfoot1291]

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Hope this is edited enough for ya, mr. mod
Oh, and the only reason the lock is so high on the damage meters is because he just stood at the edge killing the gunners the whole time.
He was in the bottom 3 on Marrowgar and Saurfang.


Edit: changed to link. Thanks for fixing the names. --Sunshine

[Pojodan]

Rule of thumb for PuGs: Go for the badges. Go ahead and roll when an item you can use drops, but NEVER expect to receive it or anything else.