My option is missing, plagueworks+princes+valithria
Plagueworks + Princes
Plagueworks + Crimson
^ + Valithera
Plague, Frostwing, Crimson
Everything except PP, Queen and Sindra
My option is missing, plagueworks+princes+valithria
You're confusing defile and infest. Infest is what the priest shields are used to prevent. Defile spreads the longer anyone is standing in it, not relative to damage taken.Originally Posted by coolaide2
oh and on AQ the best ever did 5/12 I think it was, might have been 6.
Auchindon EU has a pug that's cleared 8/12 HC, yes, HC.
pugs on Emeriss usually take longer to form and I'm yet to see any get past Saurfang. (I do believe there's a guy who can do it, but I can never raid at the time he puts his pug up)Originally Posted by Quirinus
Hell, even pugs who stay together after Saurfang is down are rare.
Everything but BQ, Sindra, and Arthas.
"Stop," said a loud booming voice.* And Rhonin turned around to see it was Bolvar Fordragon, but he was all burned up and shit.* He took the helm from Tirion.* "I can take no comfort anymore, in the world of the living, for Arthas has burned my genitals off.* I shall bear the burden.* I shall be the jailer of the damned." - Legendary Knaak Thread
the best pug i have been was all bosses apart from BQ , PP and Sindra , but we did heroic marrow and loot-ship so it was quite ok tbh.
http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/288/26.926/Originally Posted by Raptorg
there are plenty of realms whose pugs clear the whole place, you might want to reconsider your poll options
On EU Stormscale I am sure the group could get further then Saurfang on 25 man mode but 99% of the time the leader ninja's the tokens and leaves. When this happens generally the drama Llama comes out in full swing and suddenly theres 3 people left in the raid including you...
10 man mode they generally clear all the easy stuff then suddenly ninja DC when the harder stuff comes and lets face it no one is gonna join a ICC10 with all the easy stuff already done :P So thats generally the end.
Ho-hum thats the way the cookie crumbles so many ninjas not a big enough ignore list.
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Thats no ordinary PUG, its mostly ppl from the top guilds. Was the same on Ravencrest befor they moved to Auchindon due to lag.Originally Posted by cheesypeas
Ravencrest still has EUs best PUG, downing most HC bosses. But as stated, mostly alts that got better gear then most normal guilds.
EU-Kor'gall with my warlock i join a pug ICC 25 on sundays that clears all but PP, Sindra , BQL and LK, doing some tries to PP but with no ventrilo, and some randoms that join each week will be hard to get it down.
EU-Jaedenar ICC10 11/12 with my shaman. ICC 25 in that server are usually disbanded in plagueworks tho.
9/12 icc25 BQL, Sindra, LK missing.
6/12 icc10 that's how far i went in LFM icc25/10 pugs.
I'm shocked to see some servers can PuG HC content.
I only pugged 25 once, which fails at Saurfang and 10 man went upto Putricide.
Luckily I'm part of a great guild.
EU - Aggramar
My server, while not entirely fail, isn't as hardcore as a lot of others. ICC-25 PUGs pretty much always break up after Saurfang - to the extent that you're likely to have four or five folks drop group immediately after loot is distributed, just to avoid "wasting time."
ICC-10 PUGs, on the other hand, are starting to actually make decent inroads.
With that said, recently ran with a new transfer from another server who claimed to have gotten his Kingslayer title in a PUG...
4/12 25man. + Rare gunship hc if you're lucky enough to have a 25man kingslayer in your group.
Saurfang dies, and then we usually disband. I had a few pugs that went through the phase of trying fester or rotface, but after a few weeks of pugs failing at it most have just gone back to disbanding after saurfang. I do think 6/12 with rot/fester down is possible though on my server, it would just need to be a lucky group.
I did see one "pug", but in reality it was maybe 15-20 of one of the top guilds alts + some pugs that cleared atleast 8-9 bosses. I dunno where they stopped exactly but I know plague + princes were down, and probably dreamwalker too.
6/12 10man. + hc gunship. This is pretty normal now, 10man fester is very easy even for our servers pugs, and although it proves trickier its fairly common to take rotface too. I've seen some pugs take down 10 or even 11 bosses, but they're harder to find (Sindragosa and LK being the two that are usually missed due to actually requiring tactics).
I'm astonished that some servers can pug upto LK or even HC modes, not many raiding guilds on our server who play together 3-4 times a week can do that. Are they really pugs, or just 15 people from one top guild and 10 from another?
untill lady deathwisper on my DK... well she killed the raid...
mind you, second week icc was out with a bunch of alts stuck together into a 25m raid...
never pugged again actually
had kingslayer last week in raid so got down marrowgar+lootship hc
I don't really consider a PUG to be a real PUG when 80%+ of the group is alts to people who already know all the fights and done some fights on HC aswell.
We have pugs on Nordrassil doing HC's and later bosses, but those are "elite" pugs which have very high standards for recruiting and oftenly bring the same people every raid. Easiest way to get in is through contacts, see it like a VIP club IRL. Be pro or go somewhere else.
Originally Posted by Rugz
Depends if a pug counts as 15 alts from my guild plus 10 random alts from the other decent guilds on the server... but anyway if it does we got upto lich king but it was already late when we reached him so only had 3 tries. He seemed very killable for us.
i have done 9/12 25man hc on ravencrest also have another pug run who take 11/12 hc
you can discuss wether it is a pug when it is just some of the best players on server that dont have the time for raiding 5 days a week or some of them who raid 5 times a week on main.
done first pug 10man frostwyrm too this was full pug tho