stat weigh in's @ Hard ArP?

[raxin]

Question regarding something that has been buggin me, i am currently at hardcap, and rawr still indicates agility and haste is better to gem for even though i am not at the expertise soft cap. A dodge on a special is a huge loss in dps, so my question would anybody just recommend swapping out a dragon's eye to make up this loss of expertise, because honestly i don't know where i am gonna pick it up after my 277 legs, which still leaves me 26 expertise to make up somewhere...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...7gall&cn=Raxin

[littlepiggy]

if rawr says haste and agi are better than you are not crit capped. hit and expertise are *only* important because of the hit cap, theoretically. you seem to have a low amount of crit, but I can't tell for sure. a dodge really isn't that big of a loss, you get 80% of the energy back and you can do the attack again after the gcd. don't get me wrong, it's a loss.. but certain stats outweigh that loss

[FOZZIEBEAR]

Expertise cap is nice to have, but it's not an absolute requirement. Haste becomes very good at both hard cap, or at soft cap + nearing crit cap, so that makes sense, and agi is very good anywhere under crit cap.

[raxin]

if rawr says haste and agi are better than you are not crit capped. hit and expertise are *only* important because of the hit cap, theoretically. you seem to have a low amount of crit, but I can't tell for sure. a dodge really isn't that big of a loss, you get 80% of the energy back and you can do the attack again after the gcd. don't get me wrong, it's a loss.. but certain stats outweigh that loss

erm 80 perc of the energy back of finishing moves, but not shreds where i am concerned about...

[CobraN]

Dunno about feral drood but there are a lot of classes that do not enchant and socket expertise even below the cap.
This is true for rogue, ret pala and I believe warrior.

[raxin]

well i can see not socketing hit because once you get over 5 perc hit, you are only missing whites, but without the expertise soft cap, you have the possibility of loosing all the energy and the GCD.

[scorch109]

all specials are partially refunded test it on a target dummy if you want proof.

[Zykothepsycho]

Hit and Exp aren't worth gemming for as feral. Period.

[scorch109]

at arp and crit cap yes they are syk

[littlepiggy]

all specials are partially refunded test it on a target dummy if you want proof.

the talent says finisher's, but I remember when i miss i get a shit ton of energy all of a sudden which made me think it was specials like you're saying.

Hit and Exp aren't worth gemming for as feral. Period.

wrong, please don't give false information out please.

[Deleted]

erm 80 perc of the energy back of finishing moves, but not shreds where i am concerned about...

Non-finishing moves already have a 80% on miss/dodge/parry refund built-in. Generally, after reaching the arpen hardcap you will want to go for the hit/expertise caps. Rawr undervalues hit/expertise because it doesn't do a full simulation like simcraft, so it doesn't understand the full implications of missing a special. You can add "Avoided attacks <= 0.2" to the optimizer to force rawr to go close to the hit/exp caps.