ask for help again (lock/dru vs mage/pirest)

[vkei]

1st off , armory link, TW server , but some say it display in eng
http://tw.wowarmory.com/character-sh...%B3%B0&cn=Vkei

http://tw.wowarmory.com/character-sh...B0%8F%E5%BE%B7

we get to 15xx now and start having problems ,some good mage/rouge and mainly .....something with a pirest
for double DPS , i ask my dru mainly use CC to counter thier brust , but he seem like healing , sometime he got CC and i am dead , sometimes they switch target and my dru die , we are like 50:50 to mage/rouge but i know that we are just winning the really bad teams........for this i need some tip , now i will try to start on the mage ASAP so i can't be sapped (not always work,but i don't want giving them time to find my dur) , and ask my dur to cyc the rouge when he CS me , and i will CS the mage to keep off thier brust at the beggining , after that i DOT anything HOT the mage's MI if i can , once CloS is off DC and full DOT the rogue, any other thing that we can do better or we are missing ?

mage/pirest (we lose like 80% to them) , the mage just cast lvl1 FB on me and my pet ,the pirest run away and cheat my pet to run the longer route , sheep , the pirest nerver take enough damage because of range and LOS ,the mage with mage-arrmor up and ice shield don't take any damage ,he slow/root and run to LOS , they also doing zero damage unless trying to kill the pet at a un-heal-able location , or once a while they have all CD up and try to kill one of us , beside that , they only slow root everything and LOS again lvl1 FB , i have no way to get on anyone of them to cast anything beside instany casts , cyc them just don't work because they still taking on damage , i really can't think of any ways to counter this kind of team ,we have no way to damage them but once a while they blow all CD to try to get us , if it is fail ,just start LOS slow root fear again , can anyone help me on this??

[Merlinsback]

A mage with no mana can do no damage... so, I always drain mana the mage if it's too hard to keep them both fully dotted. Keep silence ready for evocate, and keep him in combat so he can't eat. Then, start working on the priest.

[Bakis]

But wont you be constantly locked out of your shadowschool putting up less damage when you expose yourself with drain manas?.
You only do it when he is feared or when you got ua, corruption up?

[Hegar]

Out of the three classes you mentioned, i'd say locks are the piratest

[Bubbahotep]

A mage with no mana can do no damage... so, I always drain mana the mage if it's too hard to keep them both fully dotted. Keep silence ready for evocate, and keep him in combat so he can't eat. Then, start working on the priest.

Do not do this both the Mage and the Priest have loads of spells to get back mana:

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=12051

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=64904

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34433

Also if the Priest is any good while you are mana draining him, he will be http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8129 your Druid partner.

I find the best way is to try and keep equal pressure on both of them, be heavy on the CC's too. Ultimately as you lack any major nukes as Affliction the Druid will have to also have to attack. Ask him to try a build with a couple more points in the balance spec tree.

For more details on combos:

http://www.arenajunkies.com/strategy/2v2/Dru_Wlk/

[gherkin]

The link to AJ hasn't been updated in a while - it still includes totem killing macros. Good information, but may be outdated.

Drain methods work well and put the team on the defensive, which is where you want them to be because offensively they are strong and defensively they are stronger. Just keep in mind that the Drain Mana route does not actually drain their mana - its a mental attack. They have many ways of getting this mana back, many of which you can't always counter. You want to push for the evocate, the ice blocks, the pain suppressions. Save devour magic for the Sheep barrage, Power Word Shield, and Power Infusion.

The mage is the easiest to CC and if you're good at your timings, between Cyclone, Fear, and Roots you will never let the mage do anything other than stand there. Root/Blink/Root is hilarious. Use UA to cover your Fear - it doesn't tick hard enough to break Fear earlier than its longest duration.

Your druid can easily heal through the passive damage the mage puts out, but when they decide to nuke you down they can do so with ease (Holy Fire/Smite w/ Freeze/FrostBolt/Icelance combo will almost kill you). Remember that there is a 20% Mortal Strike debuff with the mage, so don't get too weakened.

[Merlinsback]

Do not do this both the Mage and the Priest have loads of spells to get back mana:

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=12051

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=64904

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=34433

Also if the Priest is any good while you are mana draining him, he will be http://www.wowhead.com/spell=8129 your Druid partner.

I find the best way is to try and keep equal pressure on both of them, be heavy on the CC's too. Ultimately as you lack any major nukes as Affliction the Druid will have to also have to attack. Ask him to try a build with a couple more points in the balance spec tree.

For more details on combos:

http://www.arenajunkies.com/strategy/2v2/Dru_Wlk/

I play close to 300 games a week on my lock... And I assure you, it works. Yeah, you may get cs, but usually they save it for your healer when they get ready to nuke you. And yes, they have ways to gain mana back... but they are all interruptable, except mana gem, which honestly gives them like 3k. And if your druid partner is stupid enough to stay in the open in a form that can be mana burned then you need to find a new druid. IMO it's honestly the only strat... They both have shields, + mage armor reduces the duration of your spells by 50%, so if you try to go toe to toe with them you have a death wish. But anyway, that's how I beat the comp... and if you don't like it... well then, don't try it.

[vkei]

i thankyou for any reply

but try to oom the mage seems not a good choice , since this will make them more defenstive and make us no chance even more

i think have my dru play offenstive on the pirest maybe the answer, since he can't be slowed and the pirest can't LOS both of us , this maybe cause the pirest to use mana or even get in my LOS for drink mana

i am also thinking have my dru start attack him in cat form than change to bear for stun, cheap shot (cat version) bear stun root moonfire , not sure those are enough to buy me time to get some cast off or not , hm , i think i am deep frozen by the time i get to the pirest

[vkei]

hey ya , i got my team to 1600 and brought the chest , next setp is 1700 for the wand

met some more mage/priest team , but not much play like that team i was asking

doing 20 game today, lose so much on double DPS , like SP/rouge destro/mage ele/destro , really bad.....

but killed many dru/lock while thier lock try to oom my dru by drink mana , i focus on damage and catch a 25% DS , also some dru/???

also faced many priest/rouge we start with mass CC and drink mana , after the priest use up his friend switch to DPSing the rouge and force the priest come out for me to kill ,worked well for defensive teams , but still lose to those offensive priest sometimes

wanna get some tips on how to kill double DPS team , i use all my ability defensively , and ask my dru to CC as much as he can

[novva]

playing against double dps is all about defusal

remember to devour immolate/flame shocks off yourself as much as possible, chain fear a target as much as possible(mash totems if theres a shaman), keep dots rolling and LoS. string them out and they'll lose easily.

dru/lock is probably one of the best comps to face double dps with. spriest rogue is really the only thing that can win(edit: of the comps you mentioned), and even then you can lock down an spriest so hard with spell lock+fearspam

and CURSE OF TONGUES is your friend.

ill add that any priest rogue that doesnt play offensive as hell against you is likely not very good. one of priest rogues stongest attributes is their burst potential. holy fire+smite combo can easily do 8k non crit, that + a rogue railing you is damn near impossible to live through. and even a pally bubble/iceblock cant stop them. you absolutely cant let the priest do what he wants, the priest controls the game in that comp. you need him dotted/tongues'd up and feared as much as possible. you can even exhaustion him to let your druid kite away, but dont be hasty as they can easily gib you if they strip your hots and have you alone

[vkei]

so bad , i try some more games and lose so much to double DPS dorping back to around 1550 this week

they easily get a a kill either on me or my dru
undeads and those can break fear easily will most likely get on the dru leave me noting to do , things like rouge mage SP will get on me while slinice fear blind the dru , also rouges get my dru in cat is easily an auto lose

i think the most important thing that lock/dru vs double DD is CC , but my dru always say that he can't do that because he need to heal or CCed , what should i do to help this ?