Hastestacking Retribution paladin.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Seal of vengeance/corruption deals 41%-42% of white damage as bonus holy damage once 5 stacks has been reached. can anyone do the math on when the haste would become more superior on pure dps? STR is what everyone is doing but what if a ret paladin get the 700 haste trinket from Algalon. and one of the 400-500 haste trinkets aswell? or maybe the ICC25 crit/str/haste trinket would do better? put that together with maximised haste gear and we can look at maybe 2k haste with trinket procs up. thats like 45-50% melee haste without the raidbuffs and potions.

Say he's got:
2k haste with trinkets and pure haste gemming.
400(or 500) haste from the potion of speed.
320 haste from engi gloves.
Frost DK/Enh shammy buff 20%
Heroism/bloodlust.


Discuss.

[macke]

Not before Cataclysm, haste is good if you got a HC TAJ + smourne.

Otherwise, no.

[Lark]

There is no breakpoint where haste beats STR.

There are points or gear loads where 1 > 1 crit, but that's a pretty individual discussion.

[alinaya]

As already mentioned, haste isn't that good.

It doesn't give any benefit to instant attacks (judgement, crusader strike, divine storm) so STR will beat it at any gear level.

[Muraza]

Not sure what you are asking? The burst will be better than a pure strength gemming ret pally?

[Tural]

Not sure what you are asking? The burst will be better than a pure strength gemming ret pally?

He's asking if there's a point when Haste is better because the faster you get your 5 stacks up, the faster/longer you're doing your max DPS. As noted above, the answer is typically no.

[Brooce]

haste is good if you got a HC TAJ + smourne.

Otherwise, no.

source?

[Triston]

Haste is a fine and dandy stat but for right now, STR will always top it point for point.

[Ronark]

source?

General intelligence.

More swings = More Chaos Banes and M.A. stacks.

[Brooce]

General intelligence.

More swings = More Chaos Banes and M.A. stacks.

so that's enough for you to say it's better than strength with SM and TaiJ, because it sounds like a good idea?

[BlackZero]

so that's enough for you to say it's better than strength with SM and TaiJ, because it sounds like a good idea?

He never said it would be better then strength.

[Ronark]

so that's enough for you to say it's better than strength with SM and TaiJ, because it sounds like a good idea?

Read what you quoted, and your reply.

[Brooce]

He never said it would be better then strength.

OP: asking when/if haste is > strength

macke: "Not before Cataclysm, haste is good if you got a HC TAJ + smourne.

Otherwise, no." (answering OPs question)

Me: asking for a source of information (example: some sort of equation or another thread)

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Seal of Corruption/Vengeance hits for 41%-42% of melee damage as bonus holy damage PER SWING. what i was wondering if having lets say 3.5sec swing time normally countra 1.8 seconds or something would the damage from the seal alone be enough to make up for the 3-400 extra damage per swing at 3.5sec swing time?

Im just specualting, im not claiming that haste is better than STR currently but where would the meetingpoint be and what would be the result?

Random numbers:

4500-5000 melee swing 3.0seconds. gives dps around 1600 + increased damage on judgements exor and so on.
3500-4000 melee swing 2.0seconds. gives dps in white roughly 2k + 2k holy damage per swing due to corruption/vengeance.
Question is, When will the Bolded text be superior than the underlined text?

[lifesavers]

OP: asking when/if haste is > strength

macke: "Not before Cataclysm, haste is good if you got a HC TAJ + smourne.

That doesn't mean its better then strength, it simply means its good.

[Deleted]

Seal of Corruption/Vengeance hits for 41%-42% of melee damage as bonus holy damage PER SWING. what i was wondering if having lets say 3.5sec swing time normally countra 1.8 seconds or something would the damage from the seal alone be enough to make up for the 3-400 extra damage per swing at 3.5sec swing time?

Im just specualting, im not claiming that haste is better than STR currently but where would the meetingpoint be and what would be the result?

Random numbers:

4500-5000 melee swing 3.0seconds. gives dps around 1600 + increased damage on judgements exor and so on.
3500-4000 melee swing 2.0seconds. gives dps in white roughly 2k + 2k holy damage per swing due to corruption/vengeance.
Question is, When will the Bolded text be superior than the underlined text?

well the problem is offcourse that if you stack haste instead of strenght all damage will be lower even if you hit faster you might reach a turning point for haste to be better at huge levels of strength but i doubt that number will be reachable even in cataclysm

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

did some testing on the tourny realms.

1093 haste from a not maximized gear, using holy tree to get judgements of the pure for 15% attackspeed and 25% judgement damage.
600haste from the icc trinket
512 haste from shard of the crystal heart
250 haste from black magic proc

figured out im missing around 230 haste from gear i could replace. + another 200 if i could get the algalon trinket.
500 haste potion.
Shammy totem/dk for 20% haste
Bloodlust for 30% haste

all this would add up to 3370 haste roughly.
65% increased melee attackspeed.

Currently we need 32.79 haste rating per 1% of effective swing timer
http://www.wowwiki.com/Haste

3370 / 32.79 = 89.18% haste.

89.18% haste +
65.00% haste
154.18% haste.

this would mean if ur using a 3.60 weapon it would go down to ?? surely this has to be tested.? BB guys work calling

[AnotherPaladin]

Haste is pretty good, but it will never beat pure strength, at least not this expansion.

[Nillo]

89.18% haste +
65.00% haste
154.18% haste.

this would mean if ur using a 3.60 weapon it would go down to ?? surely this has to be tested.? BB guys work calling

If your numbers would be correct (they're not) your attackspeed would be 3.6/2.54 ~ 1.4 seconds.

But now on Topic:
what the hell is this thread about? None of the 3 posts of the OP make ANY sense to me.
1) Is it about stacking SoV faster ? If yes, you should know, that this only very slightly affects the value of haste except for very short fights (<30 seconds)
2) Is it about Haste outscaling Str due to haste being incredible good? If yes, let me tell you, that even using all the items that scale with haste (taj+shadowmourne+2p t10) while having a huge amount of Str and a low amount of haste would still not be enough to make haste better than Str.
3) Do you think that haste affects your swingtimer in this way: Attackspeed = Basespeed * (1-Haste)? If yes, just gtfo.

[Deleted]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Haste

just thought i would quote this since it has the formula for calculating how much that would affect swing speed also it shows that diferent sources of haste is muliplactive way so 154% is a pretty wrong number there but i cant find my calculator atm so im leaving it to someone else to correct.
also 100% haste halves your swing speed so it would be less than 1.8 but going that deep into holy will leave you hitting like a wet noodle

edit what the person above me said