ICC % buff a good Idea?

[jayremy]

From my perspective the ICC buff was a pretty good idea, maybe going up to 30% would be a lil extreme but its pushing more people to being able to do it. I think it would be cool if they did a bit more of this in the future from certain instance like this one. It will still take general skill to be successful at it, but if dps, tank hp/mitigation or heals were holding you or your raid back at a certain point this breaks the ice and lets you move forward.

Of course reg has not been much a problem to me but in heroic it does puch us over that threshold of wipe or win.



It possible that it is going a lil to high for my liking because its making heroic seem like regular on release of ICC which is demeaning to the experience and sense of accomplishment.

[charrge]

No its just that everyone is getting geared which is making the content inevitably obsolete. After Ulduar or TotC was out for ~4 months that shit got real easy real quick too.

Buff or not, the best guilds in the world continue to use it and 30% will just help gear alts before the expansion.

[Prouty]

Everything is relative I guess. It sure feels better than the massive nerf we saw at the end of TBC. (By that I mean: Doing it in steps of 5% rather than instantly apply the 30% nerf like in TBC)

[Gallahadd]

yes it's a very good idea, makes clearing the shitty early bosses people have been roflestomping since week one easier and faster, make it easier to gear up the occasional alt without gimping your raid, and allows people who usually wouldn't be able to progress to do so without nerfing the bosses into stupidity.

if you don't like the buff, no one is forcing you to use it, the only change I would say is maybe instead of having it be on/off allow you to pick the level you wish to use, that way when starting off you can drop the full 30%, but then as you gear up/learn the fights you can slowly pull the buff back, until you're running unbuffed.

[Powerogue]

yea

last expansion they nerfed all the instances dramatically to try and let everyone see the endgame stuff

now they're doing it more gradually, i like the strategy.

[Irony]

Yes, all bosses get nerfed close to new xpac anyway, this is just an easy way for blizzard to do this.

[Maes]

I think it came out a little too fast but its better than a sudden neutering of the instance right before the expansion

[Seifa]

It shouldn't be active on Heroic Mode. With this system, no guild will ever turn it off to progress on Heroic.

[Deleted]

It shouldn't be active on Heroic Mode. With this system, no guild will ever turn it off to progress on Heroic.

This.

And it was activated far too early. They should've given us a couple of extra months without the buff.

[Abandon]

I think it's a much better idea than what happened at the end of the last expansion, where they just cut everyones health by 30%. This is gradual, so people got to experience it when it was at it's most difficult, and then as the weeks went buy and they geared up it helped them with progression, and unlike the old method, this one you can simply turn off if you want to experience the original difficulty.

[bbr]

The only bit, is that you can disable it,, which is rather silly.
Perhaps it's a hidden achievement of strength.

[klaps_05]

What does it matter if its a good idea or not ? It's there and it will be, unless blizzard decides otherwise. And it wont be because there are over 100000 million threads and polls about it, its just because they have decided to do so.

However, adding a Feat of Strength for Heroic Kills without the debuff is in fact a very good idea and should be promoted, and maybe eventually become a reality.

[PrettyBiased]

What does it matter if its a good idea or not ? It's there and it will be, unless blizzard decides otherwise. And it wont be because there are over 100000 million threads and polls about it, its just because they have decided to do so.

However, adding a Feat of Strength for Heroic Kills without the debuff is in fact a very good idea and should be promoted, and maybe eventually become a reality.

A feat of strength that is removed when the instance is progressed past.

[Deleted]

It's not a good idea I think. Make it either easy or hard but nothing should get easier just because you wait long enough. That goes for the emblem system too..

[Indiglo]

A feat of strength that is removed when the instance is progressed past.

No, I just got my Onyxia Level 60 FoS 2 (maybe 3) weeks ago. Armory above my sig.

[Lilija]

It isn't bad. It isn't great either. But I think it's needed. It's that or constant boss nerfs. However, I hope that if Blizzard plans to use this mechanic in the future (and I'm quite sure they will), they will tune it down a bit since it feels a bit like the buff is progressing to fast.

The general feeling I have about this mechanic is rather possitive.

[Spl4sh3r]

In my opinion the ICC buff is good. Why shouldn't stuff you do each week become easier and easier? I know it becomes even more easier when you gear up more, but thats not the point. It also allow more people to be able to kill a certain boss.

One thing though. You can turn off the buff by talking the NPC. In my opinion you should be able to do the same thing to turn it on again. So there won't be anyone who turns it off just to annoy the raid and you have to move out and in and stuffs like that.

[Doctor Professor]

This.

And it was activated far too early. They should've given us a couple of extra months without the buff.

I disagree. My guild would probably give up if we kept wiping on LK HC for another month or two. Thats 50 wipes a week = 400 wipes in 2 months. We were getting close to the kill with 15% and with 20% we killed him within an hour, but without any buff we would hardly get that far. Only about 80 guilds killed him with 20% buff after 2 months. How many do you recon would have done it without? 5?

There is a point where hard becomes frustrating and frustrating becomes boring. Especially when LK HC fight can be very RNG based.

[Seifa]

I will try LK25H this monday but my opinion about that fight is that it's so overtuned that the buff is mandatory, and that's a bad joke by Blizzard. They gave us the final boss of the expansion and they actually though: "Make it so hard that's impossible to kill without that buff we are going to implement". And until i see a clean kill without buff and his weapons ilvl284 i'll keep this opinion.
I didn't talk about the Val'kyr RNG but i'm pretty sure if one of those take your disci priest or some stunners you are pretty screwed.

[Keoren]

It's good for LK heroic to be balanced around the buff. Otherwise it would be completely trivialized very fast as the buff increases.

If we make the bit flawed assumption for example's sake that LK heroic was tuned around the 15% buff, then LK heroic mode tuned to 0% would already be as easy at 15% as the current version will be at 30%.