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[talrob]

Lol. Someone want to explain to me why you would want a shadow priest in your 10-mans in cata?

I gaurantee u that they will nerf VE, and you're left with choosing either a DPS with Fort (which u can buy with scrolls) with 5% haste, or a Boomkin with 5% haste, 5% crit, the spell dmg increase, gift, and a battle rez.

lol

lol, that's already the case (3% hit on both sides) and I still get in, lol.

[keRmis]

You have it the wrong way around.

AVR takes the pitch, yaw and roll (if you will) of your character to visually represent where you need to be and when. That's very distinct compared to a tool like DBM playing a "run away little girl" sound file when you're in a danger spot. It's not visually showing you in the 3D game space where to run to get out of danger.

It is AVR that tells you where to position your character. Neither Blizzard mechanics nor DBM has this functionality.

I can understand why you're upset about AVR being broken, but you might find you enjoy the game a little bit more if you actually open your eyes and react to the game graphics rather than circles and arrows and other spacial representations telling you where to move your char

Guess i wasn't as clueless as you would like me to have been after all 8)

Way to be polite, oh wait. You're still ignoring everything everyone is saying, which isn't a big surprise for me. You STILL don't know what you're talking about. AVR isn't the one doing circles when boss throws something on you, it's the same as flare. You can draw something or you can throw a flare, like I've said about one thousand time already. Like I've said, there's ton of addons like DXE (BW if you know how to set it up) that do arrows and circles on the ground. Oh and when we're at it, DBM shows an arrow where the nearest person without the debuf is when Prof throws the plague on you.

Oh the irony.

[keRmis]

"Everyone" being 2 people


DBM arrow doesn't give you 3D spacial movement directions. It never tells you where to move your character. AVR does. That is the difference.


Either way, the majority of players want to see the mod broken, and Blizzard do not want to see a mod that gives player's 3D spacial directions of where to move their characters.

Good riddance.

So, arrow pointing where you should move isn't telling where you should move? X on the ground on the other hand is? Point being, addon tells you what to do. Now you may do it or you may not, if you want to run further away with your plague then do it, if you want to run somewhere else than your raid leader told you (with X or with flare, or with ping or whatever you use) then do it. Makes a perfect sense.

You might want to consider journalism as your facts are making perfectly sense.

[keRmis]

DBM never tells you where to go. Ever. Nor do Blizzard game mechanics.

You need to read this a bit more carefully so you can get it clear in your head exactly what Blizzard is breaking -

AVR takes the pitch, yaw and roll (if you will) of your character to visually represent where you need to be and when. That's very distinct compared to a tool like DBM playing a "run away little girl" sound file when you're in a danger spot. It's not visually showing you in the 3D game space where to run to get out of danger.

And again I say, what's the difference between arrow pointing where you should go and with a mark on the ground? Nothing. You can ignore both of them if you want, but it suggests where you should go. At least AVR is set up by PLAYERS (possibly by your RL). And stop showing that blizzquote again and again. AVR is like a flare with colours, not hard to understand, yet you don't. At least I'm not the one using DBM and bashing other addons because "it makes game too easy " hur dur. (FYI: I'm not using AVR either, I did use it thou.)

And I don't care what blizzards reasons are, nor do I mourn about the loss. It's just the people always complaining when they have no facts whatsoever. Have a good "hardmode gaming experiences" with your Power auras and DBM.

[keRmis]

DBM doesn't have an arrow that shows you where to go. It has never had an arrow that shows you where to go. And it never will.

This is something that i think you are not quite understanding.

"i completely disabled all of the unbound plague targeting code, all the mod does now is simply announce who it's on and that's it. target aquishition is all up to you now. until we can make it work might as well not confuse people with it." One mod of DBM said that. Apparantely they disabled it but I think it's there now, cause I had DBM about 3 weeks ago and had it showing that.

Or then you're still trying to say that arrow pointing out where you should pass the plague isn't showing where you should go. Like X on the ground isn't showing where you should go, set up by players. You can ignore both of them if you want, it might not be the best option but hey, you're the one playing the game.

This is something that I think you are not quite understanding.

[Rusher]

Excuse my "necroing" , but no Weapons? :<

[keRmis]

Here is the difference, i'll help you out a little bit -

AVR shows you where to move your character. It calculates the x,y and z cordinates and then shows you where to stand or move to in the 3d game area.

DBM has NEVER done this. All arrows that DBM have ever used it to show you where a team mate is or point to a buff or debuff. It NEVER tells or shows you where to move to or stand.

The main difference between them is that AVR warns you of danger AND shows you how to avoid it. DBM may point out danger areas but it NEVER takes the choice away from the player as to how they should move. AVR completely takes player choice away, and it changes HOW the player plays the game - In other words, if you simply do as your told without making any choice, AVR will guide you to boss kills anyway.

The arguments that you make are not debating with me, you are debating with Blizzards descriptions of what functionality they are breaking.

AVR does something that DBM doesn't. This is what Blizzard are breaking.

Oh my god! I can't believe I'm reading this... You still think that AVR is the one that shows when prof throws malleable goo and warns you. Hahahahaha. It's not AVR, it's AVR-E... Facts, facts, facts. AVR is a mod, where a player can draw a scene and send it to others. AVR-E Does all the fancy stuff on the ground and warns you. AVR is like a flare with colours (again and again). Can't believe someone is bashing addons without knowing what they do... Woah.

"AVR does something that DBM doesn't. This is what Blizzard are breaking." By this you're actually saying that DBM is the addon which matters, they balance the addons around it. Which isn't only false is something you can't say.

"AVR shows you where to move your character. It calculates the x,y and z cordinates and then shows you where to stand or move to in the 3d game area." Again AVR doesn't do that, AVR is simply a paper where YOU (player) can draw. It doesn't calculate anything, you're still talking about AVR-E. If someone sends you a scene, it doesn't change. The addon is not going to draw ANYTHING by itself, it's just a paper.

DBM does everything by itself, arrow is calculated and it appears on your screen. AVR doesn't do this, it's drawn by players + it doesn't do anything by itself.

Please, stop this. Get your facts right before you say anything stupid like that.

[keRmis]

I have my facts straight and crystal clear.

- DBM never provides the functionality that tells you where to go in the 3d game World.
- AVR does.

That's pretty much all there is to it. It's this functionality that Blizzard are breaking. If you wish to vent more anger over this fact, you need to take it up with Blizzard.

(You might also wish to educate yourself about what the DBM arrow actually does before you mail Blizzard, because you seem to have it wrong at the moment.)

Did I ever say that DBM provides that? No. Did I ever say that AVR doesn't? No. There's something between your eye and brain that is not working as well as you might want it to work.

But lets see, your facts are straight and "crystal" clear? You just tried to tell me that AVR does decisions for you, warns you and takes the game experience away and pretty much is the worst thing to happen to WoW. Then when I say that you're wrong about it 100 hundred times, explain it to you and still you don't get it.

And I still can't understand how AVR is making the game so much easier. X on the ground isn't same as a bossmods yelling that something is coming towards you, nor is it an arrow. Only fight that I (and the guild) used AVR was Sindragosa HC, now we use flares (well we don't use anything at this point) and it's as easy as it was. And I can guarantee you. If I'd take your lovely DBM away and replaced it with AVR, you would wipe. Because you see, AVR doesn't warn you, it doesn't show you where you should go. There has to be someone in your guild who will draw it and send it to others and then it will show something, X or a circle on the ground or a huge dong, I'd like to see that helping you to dodge malleable goo.

And no, I'm not going to take it up with Blizzard. Like I've said, AVR was good, it did nothing bad, but AVR-E is. But people like you, who doesn't have a CLUE about how the addon works are the most pathetic. And as far as I can tell, I was only defending the addon, not attacking towards it.

And please educate me about your DBM arrow, I hope it helps you a lot in your journey of NOT going the way it's suggesting. This facepalming experience was an eyeopener, peace.

[keRmis]

The DBM arrow points to buffs/debuffs/players. It's purpose is to take in-game warnings (such as a debuff on a player) and highlight in an easier to read manner where that information is.

It never tells you something that you can not see by looking at the default Blizzard UI. And it most certainly doesn't point to where it thinks you should be going. It is a simple relay of information that NEVER directs players where to stand.

AVR on the other hand is an overlay that aims to show players where to move. <----- It is this functionality that Blizzard is breaking.


I get it that you don't agree with Blizzards explanation. I, on this occasion fully agree with Blizzards explanation. I guess you will just have to agree to disagree with Blizzards choice. And since i agree with Blizzard, i will just have to agree to disagree with your explanations too.


Your arguments that DBM arrow provides the same or similar functionality to AVR is nonsense. DBM arrow shows nothing that aspects of AVR do.

Your arguments that flares provide the same or similar experience to AVR will always fall on deaf ears. Flares are in-game mechanics, crafted by an in-game profession and are a part of the gameplay to use as you wish. They are not a third party mod that provide functionality to show you where to move your character in terms of x,y and z cordinates.


If we take away your DBM and flare comparisons, your arguments consist of nothing else but weak QQ about the mod being broken.

Even if you don't uderstand the concept of the differences between DBM arrow, flares and AVR functionality, it serves you no purpose to continue debating about it anyway. Blizzard are the referees, and the referees decision is final.

You're still trying to argue me that DBM arrow isn't showing where you should go, which is false. Why not a /w, why not a message on your screen instead of an arrow? It's made to help you, so you can give it to an another player without going through them in the game (who has lowest stacks closest to me or without the debuff). Sure you can argue all you want that arrow on your screen isn't showing where you should go, like DBM "run you little girl" isn't warning something is coming towards you. Point being, you can just watch the arrow and go where it shows OR you can actually click the players around you / see if there's no stacks. But you're standing on a huge pile of shit if you actually think that.

Your arguments that flares provide the same or similar experience to AVR will always fall on deaf ears. Flares are in-game mechanics, crafted by an in-game profession and are a part of the gameplay to use as you wish. They are not a third party mod that provide functionality to show you where to move your character in terms of x,y and z cordinates.

Well I don't know anyone / any guild who would use AVR as something else as a flare. And personally I can't believe if someone would use it otherwise, there's no point nor would it help.

For the record, I didn't QQ about the mod being broken like you cleverly said (I've said quite much that it's good to break AVR to break AVR-E). But I'm QQing because there's people like you. My "weak argument" is the one argument you can't go around and you tried to tell me that AVR warns you and pretty much takes decision away from the player, which is false. You don't know how the addon works and still you try to tell me it's bad. You haven't said anything that Blizzard hasn't already stated and other you've done is try to cloud me with false information. And now you tell me my argument is weak when you try to get the upper ground with lies. That's weak.

PS. My AVR vs. DBM was just to show you that DBM makes your game much easier than AVR (if you didn't get it.).

Now please, if you don't have anything new then just stop. This is quite amusing.

[OtisJay]

AVR & AVR-E made a overland on the 3D world..
DBM doesn't...

thats why Bizz broke it, sry doesn't seem that hard to me

It has nothing to do with how easy this or that mod makes the game.. AVR & AVR-E went to far by drawing on the 3D world...

AVR (not E) was a great idea. i hope they can come to some middle ground with bizz

[keRmis]

AVR & AVR-E made a overland on the 3D world..
DBM doesn't...

thats why Bizz broke it, sry doesn't seem that hard to me

It has nothing to do with how easy this or that mod makes the game.. AVR & AVR-E went to far by drawing on the 3D world...

AVR (not E) was a great idea. i hope they can come to some middle ground with bizz

I know why they broke it. It's just that Woosh was breeding false info a.k.a. fanboyism. And I agree, AVR-E was a mistake, hated the addon. But AVR was, like you said, great.

[keRmis]

I was helping you to understand why Blizzard broke AVR. "Being great" has nothing to do with why they want it broken.

AVR does something that DBM doesn't. It provides the functionality via an external overlay to show the player where to position himself in the 3D Game World. This is what Blizzard want to break.

You then attempted to compare this functionality with DBM's arrow.

DBM does not provide this functionality. It's something you still seem unaware of. The arrow on DBM NEVER provides the functionality of pointing to a place in the 3D game area that indicates to the player where to stand.

There is a clear difference between the two functionalities, and ultimately the reason why AVR will be made redundant, but DBM will continue to be made useful.

I am doing nothing more than describing the blue post for the reasons AVR is to be made broken. If my words aren't readable to you, all you have to do is read the blue comment about it rather than arguing to me why you think the mod shouldn't be broken.

This is so amazing. Now you try to be the hero of the story, this was you first statement :

I'm glad they are breaking AVR.

I detested the mod and everything it represented with a passion.

This is a game that YOU should play if you enjoy it, not feel the need to be told where to go and what to do just because some noob decided he wanted that functionality in THEIR gameplay.

Skilled players who refused to use the mod fell into the dangerous category of being bettered by noobs who were using AVR.

Not a fair situation at all and Blizzard has the sense to see this and break it.


KAPOW - take that you AVR noobs.

First of all this just showed me that you don't know the addon. After this you clearly described you didn't know the addon and only, like you said, noobs used it. Telling lies is not not describing a blue post. I know why Blizzard breaks it. But you thought it's a failsafe-addon which only noobs use, in reality it didn't help anyone (And I mean 'where to go') else but the type of guy who can pug icc25 up to 6 and leave and they didn't use it in pugs. The bad thing what came of this was AVR-E. It was a mistake, like I've said, it was the one addon which showed where to move. Not AVR. Get your facts right.

BTW, don't ever say that AVR was destroyed because "AVR does something that DBM doesn't." (Cause with your logic, every other bossmod which are different should be destroyed) So get your facts right and don't call people "noobs" cause you can't understand the meaning of addon while you're using DBM and Power auras.

PS. I never said DBMs arrow is in the 3D world, but arrow pointing out does exactly the same thing (it has colours green-red how close you (if I remember correctly)). Can't really understand what's the fuzz here, for me an arrow is as "bad" as showing a mark on the ground and it's just hypocrisy to bash an addon with a great hatred while using addon which points where to go. (I do not imply that's it in the 3D, like I've never said that.) Please do not sink any lower with your "describing".

[keRmis]

Arrow pointing does not do the exact same thing. Listen and learn -

- AVR has the functionality to tell you where to stand in the 3D Game World <------- Being broken by Blizzard
- DBM arrow NEVER provides the functionality to tell you where to stand in the 3D Game World

Or to put it another way -

- One shows you where to stand,
- The other points to areas of danger that you can see with the default Blizzard UI anyway


Really, really, really not difficult to understand. If you don't get it from that over-simplistic explanation then i don't what to do with you ???

Everyone still reading this thread, surely understands your loyalty to AVR. But Blizzard broke it for a reason, there is a blue post describing the exact functionality they are breaking, and my over-simplistic description above explaining why it is being broken.

Blizzard breaks AVR for above reason. DBM doesn't get broken, because the DBM arrow doesn't provide this functionality. There is nothing more to it than that. That is it.

Way to miss a highlight, let's see. "but arrow pointing out does exactly the same thing (it has colours green-red how close you are (if I remember correctly))". Do you work in a media? You just left out maybe the most important part of that quote, way to go. And you can't say you can't stand in the right position with the default UI (what AVR is "helping"), which I am doing.

Stop the hero act, it just makes you look more like an idiot. Your statements have been aggressive or lies, only point you are making is that AVR is in the 3D world and DBM isn't, which is not the point of my responses, thought you would have got that by now. I'll make it clear to you, I dislike people like you. False facts, lying, to try to get your point through.

Btw, I've understood your "facts crystal clear", they just don't make sense. Like I've said about thousand times already, I don't have a problem with Blizzard breaking AVR, I have a problem with you. Next time come back with better argumentation skills.

[keRmis]

I can't be wrong for one simple fact. I'm doing nothing more than repeating what Blizzard have said.

If you read through all our comments to each other, you might be surprised to see that the only person who is name calling, insulting and accusing is you.

The person who does that is normally the person to get frustrated because instead of arguing the case in question, you try and argue against the person and try to win at whatever cost to "save face".

Blizzard broke AVR because it provided functionality they didn't agree with. You can argue about it until you are blue in the face, but all that will happen is you will get frustrated because you are in a winless position. The decision to break it for a specific reason has already been made irregardless of what you say.

Bring more name calling on though, it bothers me not. I am beginning to think you are the butthurt author of the mod, because only someone who has devoted so much time into creating the mod could beat the dead horse for as long as you have.

Read your first post on this section, you just called over 20k people a noob. Oh the irony. I don't recall "name-calling" you, I just observed your arguments and made a conclusion from that, oh and if you're talking about the eye-> brain function I can't help but to laugh at it, brilliant from me. It's just my strategy, like blasphemy, but not.

I don't need to "save my face", I'm not the one lying here. Just keep posting your Blizz quote, I know why it's destroyed, I never argued against that, I argued against your knowledge / logic. (eye->brain).

"You can argue about it until you are blue in the face, but all that will happen is you will get frustrated because you are in a winless position." Priceless. I think you're at this position and I could say that someone might agree with me. You can't win an argument with lies and blizz quotes. Next time when you're in an argument, try to bring more facts and less lies on the table, might help your... cause, if I may say. Btw, that quote is going to be my signature.

PS. Seriously, read what I've written and you might understand what I'm arguing against. Reminding me over and over again why Blizz is breaking AVR isn't really helping your "image".

[jojo22]

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