Possible Feral Bear Specs

[Bonsaii]

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-5kgt-cqER_fIzh.9dw.druid My attempt

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fhJIT96ut2gtiLI.9dw.druid Trades Rend and Tear for Improved Bash and Omen of Clarity

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-CnZKAcfvM1Ele.9dw.druid

Not quite sure on some of the specifics haven't played my bear in months.
Tell me what you think.

[Bûllshift]

I would take the 5 out of Perservance and put them into Rend And Tear to much threat to throw away.

[googol]

ya, rend and tear is a lot of threat and dmg gone..plus 5/5 rend of tear is required for pulverize, the talent calculator is incorrect.

[Xlink]

Quite a few things i would change from this spec. Perseverance seems like it will an amazing talent though seeing as how little defense we have against spell damage. I think i would go with something like this. http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-CnZKAcfvM1Ele.9dw.druid

Not having Rend and Tear, Endless Carnage, OR Sharpened Claws would be a huge threat loss.

[Alski]

Quite a few things i would change from this spec. Perseverance seems like it will an amazing talent though seeing as how little defense we have against spell damage. I think i would go with something like this. http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-CnZKAcfvM1Ele.9dw.druid

Not having Rend and Tear, Endless Carnage, OR Sharpened Claws would be a huge threat loss.

??? ??? whats up with that spec, your wasting points in the resto tree with talents like Tranquil Spirit & Imp Rejuv

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-CnMWdXFHPxyh2.9dw.druid
^-- this build has everything you need and still has 8 points spare

[worlddan]

Reported for De-structive posting.

Really. And how is the OP's post in any way constructive? If I am guilty of destroying the destroyers, so be it.

[Alski]

Really. And how is the OP's post in any way constructive? If I am guilty of destroying the destroyers, so be it.

the OP is simply asking for peoples opinion on his spec's & what can be improved on them.

[Deleted]

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0Zi0I...fzbGzhto0Eczb:

seems like the Best build to me, got all defensive points and a couple of threat ones. And still got 4 points in spare

[edinayc]

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-CnMouy5Km5LV4.9dw.druid

This is what I put together.

[Jidders]

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0Zi0I...fzbGzhto0Eczb:

seems like the Best build to me, got all defensive points and a couple of threat ones. And still got 4 points in spare

close to yours http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0Zi0IbkcbtcfzbGzhto0Ectb

took a point out of imp charge and put it in naturalist. 2% dmg seems more important to me than 15% haste for 8 secs after i charge. Would be better if you could do it every cd but if you are in a MT a boss fight what are the chances you will get it to be useful enough. Imp charge for bear seems more for Off tanking add's and trash.

[Bob002]

They need to adjust a couple top tier talents in resto to get down to MSS/OoC.

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0ZitIfRcbtccu0Gd0tobxczb

This is what I came up with, but there are a few floating points in there that could be moved around.

Endless Carnage and Shredding Attacks are two, as well as KotJ and Primal Madness. You could even drop KotJ and Primal Madness to pick up Naturalist.

[Jidders]

They need to adjust a couple top tier talents in resto to get down to MSS/OoC.

Not really. You have furor that is useful that gives you 5 points. then Perseverance which is amazing for bear druids. 10% dmg reduction on spell damage. Boom now you have 10 points in. then you can put 5 more in naturalist which is 10% more damage and that's 15 points. They actually made it pretty nice.

[Bob002]

Not really. You have furor that is useful that gives you 5 points. then Perseverance which is amazing for bear druids. 10% dmg reduction on spell damage. Boom now you have 10 points in. then you can put 5 more in naturalist which is 10% more damage and that's 15 points. They actually made it pretty nice.

I personally dislike talents like that. While they do have their usefulness *at times* I personally try ot look for a more rounded approach.

[exochaft]

Out of morbid curiosity, has there been indication of how much crit we should be expecting to see as bear tanks in cataclysm (or just in general)?

The reason I ask is Predatory Instincts: the wording indicates it is no longer restricted to Cat crits, and inflated crit damage for bears would be rather sexy. There's also zero indication of our current Primal Gore talent being implemented elsewhere, so there would be no more Lacerate crits unless it becomes baseline and Blizz just forgot to mention it or hasn't gotten around to it yet (I've only seen blue posts about resto HoT's benefiting from crits/haste). I suppose depending on your talent setups, I'd imagine 3/3 Pred. Instinct + 2/5 Naturalist would destroy NSS+MSS, unless you squeek it all in somehow.

I've also noticed differences between the blue post release and the "updated talent tree" websites on certain talents, specifically Feral Aggression. I've seen the current live version and the AP reduction replaced with reduced FFF(Bear) cooldown. As it stands right now, would seem the talent would let you get a full stack of FFF in 3 seconds with consideration for its current 1 sec GCD and 6 second cooldown. If the threat modifier remains the same, seems almost like FFF would replace Swipe completely for single target (and it's free, for now). Of course, I am rather curious about how threat will play out in the end, especially with Pulverize in the mix. It's been painful up until now to get the 5-stack Lacerate without a huge drop in TPS since the Lacerate application damage/threat is pretty much our worst threat generating ability that deals damage... so now we'd scrap our Lacerate stack for a nasty bearwtfpwnzr attack slated to deal a TON of damage, and have to build it back up over the next 10 seconds (16 with talents) to refresh that 10% crit bonus. Maybe I'm just trying to get a grasp on how Blizz wants our new tanking style to go down, based on current threat levels for moves that already exist. No beta yet, so things can still change, or more light can be shed on the situation.

[Auroro]

I think this is better.

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-5wwN9cvS7BIDEC.9dw.druid

[Bob002]

Out of morbid curiosity, has there been indication of how much crit we should be expecting to see as bear tanks in cataclysm (or just in general)?

The reason I ask is Predatory Instincts: the wording indicates it is no longer restricted to Cat crits, and inflated crit damage for bears would be rather sexy. There's also zero indication of our current Primal Gore talent being implemented elsewhere, so there would be no more Lacerate crits unless it becomes baseline and Blizz just forgot to mention it or hasn't gotten around to it yet (I've only seen blue posts about resto HoT's benefiting from crits/haste). I suppose depending on your talent setups, I'd imagine 3/3 Pred. Instinct + 2/5 Naturalist would destroy NSS+MSS, unless you squeek it all in somehow.

I've also noticed differences between the blue post release and the "updated talent tree" websites on certain talents, specifically Feral Aggression. I've seen the current live version and the AP reduction replaced with reduced FFF(Bear) cooldown. As it stands right now, would seem the talent would let you get a full stack of FFF in 3 seconds with consideration for its current 1 sec GCD and 6 second cooldown. If the threat modifier remains the same, seems almost like FFF would replace Swipe completely for single target (and it's free, for now). Of course, I am rather curious about how threat will play out in the end, especially with Pulverize in the mix. It's been painful up until now to get the 5-stack Lacerate without a huge drop in TPS since the Lacerate application damage/threat is pretty much our worst threat generating ability that deals damage... so now we'd scrap our Lacerate stack for a nasty bearwtfpwnzr attack slated to deal a TON of damage, and have to build it back up over the next 10 seconds (16 with talents) to refresh that 10% crit bonus. Maybe I'm just trying to get a grasp on how Blizz wants our new tanking style to go down, based on current threat levels for moves that already exist. No beta yet, so things can still change, or more light can be shed on the situation.

Why would you drop Lacerate when the damage done by Pulverize depends on Lacerate?? I'm more curious as to how Pulverize is actually going to work (is it going to be another DoT or something?) as Endless Carnage buffs it, as well. Seems almost like an Envenom-esque ability.

[Fojos]

I think this is better.

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-5wwN9cvS7BIDEC.9dw.druid

Why blessing of the grove?



http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-mDOSlV8Wpiy1Cg.9dw.druid

Mine, considering they're removing Feral Instinct.

[Hegar]

http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0Zi0I...fzbGzhto0Eczb:

seems like the Best build to me, got all defensive points and a couple of threat ones. And still got 4 points in spare

Why would you take NSS+MSS and skip Naturalist? +4% Damage for 5 points vs +10% damage for the same 5 points? Seems like a pretty obvious maths fail to me

I'd go with http://cata.wowhead.com/talent#0Zi0fbocbtcfzbGzhto0E0t

As a skeleton of the build, with 7 points left. That leaves open maxing feral instinct for a bit more AoE threat, getting MSS+NSS if you really want that extra threat over time, or (i suspect the best option) going for all or some combo of KotJ+ Primal Madness and Imp. Charge, for greater burst threat.

Since they've stated they want threat to be an issue at the start of a pull, but not through-out the entire fight, i just don't see the incredibly inefficient MSS being worth the points anymore. KotJ + Imp. Charge, for 25% extra damage for the first three attacks, and 15% for next few just seems much more attractive.

[Auroro]

Why blessing of the grove?



http://www.wowtal.com/#k=-mDOSlV8Wpiy1Cg.9dw.druid

Mine, considering they're removing Feral Instinct.

Blessing of the Grove would boost our swipe damages by alot and it would help alot with threat.

[Fojos]

Blessing of the Grove would boost our swipe damages by alot and it would help alot with threat.

Blessing of the grove doesn't increase swipe damage? Says claw and shred.