Cataslym Restoration Specs Here

[Ezaraku]

The talent tree seems pretty iffy to me.

Here's the current cookie cutter resto spec:
http://www.wowarmory.com/talent-calc...10501122331251

The shaman spec for Cataclysm is going to be pretty messed up.

Here's what I've come up with for a start:
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa59ipzApmCl.9dw.shaman

..but, that spec leavesout 9 points.

Now, if they are counting Riptide as a shock spell (which I doubt) then I'd put 5 in Focused Insight and 3 in Totemic Focus and 1 in Enhancing Totems or Shamanistic Focus if they're counting Riptide as being a shock spell.

Which would look like this:
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=faVyOGbck3KJ.9dw.shaman

And if Riptide isn't counted as a shock spell, i'd probably go something like:
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=faPJqpzmn0q1.9dw.shaman


Let me know what you think!

[iLive]

You don't need mana reduction on totems (Totemic Focus), since they aren't spammed like other healing spells and the talent points can be spent much better.

Nature's Guardian might be good since it increases your health by 15%, but it's not really going to be a life saver every time in a raid encounter. Mostly when you do get below 30% health, then you will anyway die (normally) and if you don't die then you should be capable to do something in order to survive. I don't think that talent will make you survive more honestly. 5 talents points are also A LOT, and could be spend much better.

Ancestral Swiftness can be very useful inside raid encounters, since you can get to your destination faster and then continue healing. And it seems like Blizzard might add encounters that requires a lot of movement after all the movement speed additions in game, so perhaps it's not a bad idea.

Healing Focus can mean a lot in many situations. There's always damage inside raid encounters, and it can affect your healing output a lot, so it's like getting free haste.

[Swiftninja]

You don't need mana reduction on totems (Totemic Focus), since they aren't spammed like other healing spells and the talent points can be spent much better.

Nature's Guardian might be good since it increases your health by 15%, but it's not really going to be a life saver every time in a raid encounter. Mostly when you do get below 30% health, then you will anyway die (normally) and if you don't die then you should be capable to do something in order to survive. I don't think that talent will make you survive more honestly. 5 talents points are also A LOT, and could be spend much better.

Ancestral Swiftness can be very useful inside raid encounters, since you can get to your destination faster and then continue healing. And it seems like Blizzard might add encounters that requires a lot of movement after all the movement speed additions in game, so perhaps it's not a bad idea.

Healing Focus can mean a lot in many situations. There's always damage inside raid encounters, and it can affect your healing output a lot, so it's like getting free haste.

TBH toughness x5 seems more reliable than nature's guardian x5 due to it being constant health. Nature's Guardian is still more for pvp since in raids you wont be hit much from mobs/bosses lol.

[Spongy]

Firstly Your shaman cutter build is wrong.
Secondly there have been so many threads of this and in my eyes its pretty obv http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa59ipzApmCl.9dw.shaman is the spec unless ghostwolf is changed to work inside thats how i see it

[waddlez]

Firstly Your shaman cutter build is wrong.
Secondly there have been so many threads of this and in my eyes its pretty obv http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa59ipzApmCl.9dw.shaman is the spec unless ghostwolf is changed to work inside thats how i see it

it does work inside, read some blue posts

I could see focused insight used for pve purposes... a low cost heal at 25%+ power that only takes tabbing the boss and flame shocking

if that was the case http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa4FmxUtD1zS_1.9dw.shaman

[Rofflemau]

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fah7IqbLC7re31.9dw.shaman

this it the current build i've set out for, swiftness is too good to not get. blizz has stated that they will change "Enhancing Totems" so i've only put one point in there so i could reach ancestral swiftness, if it becomes a good change i'll switch points from elemental weapons to it. Focused Insight is useful for shamans (like myself) who are used to the "Tidal Shocker" playstyle of resto.

all in all so far this probably will be the "cookie cutter" build in my opinion

[Radux]

I can't believe that everyone is looking over Ancestral Resolve. 10% less damage while casting? So a filler talent that allows me to take less damage while healing up my raid, thus having to heal myself less? Yes, please.

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa4I9qFauhs9.9dw.shaman is a pretty solid base, if you ask me.

Now, if we can use Ghost Wolf inside, then I would take that, otherwise I'll just toss in filler talents to get the increased run speed. Hell, maybe both, since there's plenty of points to toss around.

[Cjeska]

it does work inside, read some blue posts
I could see focused insight used for pve purposes... a low cost heal at 25%+ power that only takes tabbing the boss and flame shocking

* It doesn't need any tabbing at all, a good macro will do just fine (which shocks target or targettarget).
* Enhancing totems will most likely be removed or redesigned so SoE totem will always grant the same bonus. They are moving away from talents that buff buffs. If its redesigned I could see it giving an extra buff to the shaman in question, which would make it useless for any resto build.
* Ancestral Swiftness is questionable for resto if they really make wolf usable indoors
* this build (http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fahyjuyjo3Cl.9dw.shaman) will leave you with 4 points, personaly, I would put them into imp. reincarnation and ancestral resolve, but those could just aswell put into lower totem costs or whatever (maybe even convection to improve the benefit of shocks even more, which will net out in 60mp5 or something, not too bad)

Disclaimer: this is all theory and I realize (or better: I bet) those trees will still see some major tweaks. Postcount +1

[Ezaraku]

Firstly Your shaman cutter build is wrong.
Secondly there have been so many threads of this and in my eyes its pretty obv http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fa59ipzApmCl.9dw.shaman is the spec unless ghostwolf is changed to work inside thats how i see it

Link your current cutter spec then sir, I'd love to check it out.

[sidian86]

ghostwolf is changed to work inside thats how i see it

Ghost wolf is going to work inside.

[Mandible]

Would probably go for something like this http://www.wowtal.com/#k=uVSi9ZGgDuJKA1.9dw.shaman to make more use of focused insight talent.

[Bokchoii]

With Ghost Wolf being usable indoors, I imagine any true raiding spec of any shaman spec should have improved ghost wolf in it.

[Kereba]

http://www.wowtal.com/#k=dVSB9LEBC7re31.9dw.shaman

That's gonna be my spec in Cata.
47%- Shock spell cost, so yeah.

[Radux]

I'm still really iffy about Focused Insight. If it's an easy fight or whatever, it can be a solid talent to increase throughput (probably not mana efficiency due to having to use a shock to begin with).

However, it has the possibility of being a really expensive filler talent on those really mana intensive fights coming up in Cataclysm.

Mana is going to be an issue again, so I'm not completely sold on the idea of having to spend mana to dps to gain a marginal HPS increase.

[Elovan]

I have to say, from reading this discussion it sounds like Blizzard has pretty well accomplished their goal for talent trees in cataclysm. GG Blizzard!

[Cjeska]

I'm still really iffy about Focused Insight. If it's an easy fight or whatever, it can be a solid talent to increase throughput (probably not mana efficiency due to having to use a shock to begin with).

Shamanistic focus + focused insight, do the math, you actually save mana by using it. Even if it didn't stack the way I think it does (eg 55% shock costs but a 75% of base manacosts saved) a 25% boost to chain heal or healing rain will save you some mana in the long run, thats for sure.

[Radux]

Ok, if it works like you think (takes the 75% off the base cost of the shock rather than the lesser cost) then yes, that would be stupid to overlook.

The problem is that would, more likely than not, be considered overpowered.

Doing some math:
Base mana for a shaman at 80 is 4396.

Using Earth Shock (as an example) is 18% base mana or approximately 792.
Using Shamanistic Focus that shock becomes approximately 436.

This means a couple of things.
1. Our next heal is buffed by 25%.
2. That heal's cost is reduced by 75% of the shock spell's mana cost (approximately 327 mana).

Most of our spells cost anywhere from 18% base to 25% base, currently. Using the model of how I think it will work, we spend a GCD, do a tiny amount of damage for nearly 800 mana, we get to use a 25% stronger heal for ~30% less mana.

Maybe I'm over thinking the entire process. It could very well be worth it. I'm not just completely convinced yet, because I'm not confident in how our mana will be managed, nor am I confident in the amount of free GCD's we'll be able to spend without starving ourselves.

Also, please tell me if my math is wrong, I haven't had my coffee yet.

[Cjeska]

I think it all comes down to "do I have enough gcd's or not".
I don't really know where else to put all these points to be honest, the way I see it, a 25% boost to a spell like healing rain, maybe combined with 20% from unleash weapon in a aoe damage situation sounds very sexy, even if used only a couple of times per boss.
Can't wait to see what else they do with our resto tree (and I guess there is still alot more to come)

[yadomaru]

Well at the moment for me this is the way I going to spec http://www.wowtal.com/#k=fahJMkl5LKySM.9dw.shaman btw it is a pvp spec.

[Alcsaar]

Of course they seem iffy, they arent anywhere near completion. Blizzard has stated a few times now that they have been focusing on single talents right now, they haven't been worrying about builds.