LFD Slackers/Freeloaders

[Rocket Surgeon]

I've had this happen a few times. I just MD trash mobs until they leave so we can get someone else.

[Elica]

As a tank with instant queues, I see it all the time.

I just sit down and say "ok guys brb, I'll be back when I can votekick that guy". Sometimes the group gets pissed off and votekicks me instead, but oh well, at least I didn't give the leecher a free ride while he watches furry porn with WoW minimized.

[4reed0m]

The main problem I've noticed is most people don't try like they should be to do their respective role. Rotations become limited to 1-2 spells, cooldowns don't get used and auto attacking becomes the norm. It sucks but, there really isn't anything much you can do aside from vote kicking or just massively sighing and getting it over with.

[baelon]

I raged at some idiot doing it the other day, but typically I probably only see it about once a week. Much more often I come across dps pulling a whopping 1-2k dps. My suspicion is that there's some sort of bot program that /follows people, tabbing and autoattacking. On the other hand, so many people are so horrendous at this game that maybe they're doing their best and simply fall short.

It's only really a problem on my shaman. My paladin can tank and often pulls more dps than the 3 dps combined, but at least I keep it moving. And my mage has almost 5k total achieve score and usually gets pretty good groups - I'm fairly certain that the quality of your group is determined by total achieve, not gear, just fyi. But at around 2k, my shaman and paladin invariably get terribles. And since healing queues are almost as nonexistant as tank queues, that's what I go as on my shammy and I can only follow the momos around and heal them x_x

[Faltemer]

See it quite often alon with healers who won't heal me till I'm 50% as the tank (this is lower levels)

[PetersenII]

So today I was running some dungeons on my new Druid tank, and got SM Graveyard. The group goes forward, but the rogue stays stealthed at the entrance. We assume he's AFK so we just clear the first boss and most of the trash. By the time we get to the fountain in the middle, someone says to kick him. He starts talking saying he's only here for a bag or something(Strange, the last boss doesn't even drop a bag), and that we don't really need him, so he'll just sit there until we're done. Tried to votekick, but nope, Blizz implemented that horrendous 15-minute timer where you can't kick someone. We just laugh at him and clear all the trash to waste the remaining 9 minutes on the timer, before votekicking him and clearing the last boss.

TL;DR: Asshole rogue sat 'afk' the whole time in SM Grave, hoping to leech loot off the last boss.

Has anyone else encountered people doing this?

If I have to wait 30 minutes in a queue for a baddie tank (I have leveled 4 tanks already, thanks, so none of that "lul, u don't like 2 wait, roll tank, nub! Hur hur hur!"), I really "CBA" to actually do DPS. I'll sit "AFK" (actually tabbed out doing something else with my time) leaching XP until you kick me, I tab back in, requeue, and repeat the process.

[shagrarz]

you are a lucky one xuany....very lucky

[Naphta]

I'm a slacker sometimes, but I always pull my weight as much as the second on dps.

[Hendrixstorm]

If I have to wait 30 minutes in a queue for a baddie tank (I have leveled 4 tanks already, thanks, so none of that "lul, u don't like 2 wait, roll tank, nub! Hur hur hur!"), I really "CBA" to actually do DPS. I'll sit "AFK" (actually tabbed out doing something else with my time) leaching XP until you kick me, I tab back in, requeue, and repeat the process.

I believe that makes you a colossal douchebag with a huge self-entitlement issue.

[Deleted]

I play a 80 healer main, and currently leveling a 64 elemental/enhance shaman (queueing as healer and DPS), so I tend to get quick queues (which is not the point of the topic, just wanted to say that). I've never had this happen at 80, at least not that I remember (something in my mind tells me it has happened to me though), but I had that problem every now and then when I leveled my shaman through the few dungeons I did 15-55 or so. You can't really kick them either since most dungeons are completed in less than 15 minutes (except Uldaman, Deadmines and BRD -- never ran WC or ST on it).

And yeah, it's God-awful when it happens, I pull over 1.3k DPS on my Shaman at 64 though, which tends to be twice as much as the rest of the people, so I can usually carry the group as a solo DPS, just takes a little longer. :P

[snuzzle]

They get xp as long as they are inside the instance and close enough to the mobs, no matter if they are alive or dead.

Wrong, you get zero xp when dead. Try it sometime.

As a tank with instant queues, I see it all the time.

I just sit down and say "ok guys brb, I'll be back when I can votekick that guy". Sometimes the group gets pissed off and votekicks me instead, but oh well, at least I didn't give the leecher a free ride while he watches furry porn with WoW minimized.

No, you made the group waste their one votekick on you. Good job.

Personally? Leechers don't really bother me, the people who get their panties all in a twist over it do though. The ones like Elica who sit there and /afk themselves while they wait for the timer to be up to votekick the guy. That's great. With one person afk we can still continue. With two, especially if you're the healer or tank, we can't. If you don't want to play with a leecher and don't want to play while waiting for the timer to be up, then do the rest of your party a favor and just drop group.

People who vote to kick a lot (initiating or just voting) will not be having their timer removed in the next patch while the rest of us will.

I'd rather use my votekick on the jerk with a power trip than the leecher.

[Organoth]

I recently hit 80 on my DK and have been a tank since lvl 72. No matter how stupid or lazy ppl are it's always your (the tank's) fault. The mass AoE spam is the wors, I'll just be dropping my DnD and there goes the AoE spam. I spend the pull trying to get mobs off the retards and never get a firm handle on them. The DPS and Healer then start to complain about me not holding threat. When I try to explain that I have to attack the mobs before them to get threat I'm just called a noob and flamed to no end. Spamming AoE every pull does not mean you are helping the group in any way, it's just the opposite.

Never understood the posts by angry tanks until I became one. There are some bad/jerk tanks out there but seeing it from both a DPS and Tank perspective I've learned 9 times out of 10 it's the rest of the group that's the problem. I'm a tank and only being 80 for less then a week I am not a very geared tank. That said I pump out more DPS then most of the ppl I find myself grouped with because they are too lazy to pay attention.

[SensenmanN]

My favorite is the people who take the queue for the instance, and then go AFK for 5-10 mins.

[snuzzle]

My favorite is the people who take the queue for the instance, and then go AFK for 5-10 mins.

There is (or at least was, I don't know if it still works) a mod that autoaccepts the LFD invite. This is especially useful for DPS who go make a sammich and come back to find they juuuust missed the queue

That's why you'll sometimes see people zone in afk. Their mod accepted the invite for them, they're off pooping or something.

[kaijyuu]

Tricks of the Trade is nice for stuff like this.

[Elica]

Wrong, you get zero xp when dead. Try it sometime.



No, you made the group waste their one votekick on you. Good job.

Personally? Leechers don't really bother me, the people who get their panties all in a twist over it do though. The ones like Elica who sit there and /afk themselves while they wait for the timer to be up to votekick the guy. That's great. With one person afk we can still continue. With two, especially if you're the healer or tank, we can't. If you don't want to play with a leecher and don't want to play while waiting for the timer to be up, then do the rest of your party a favor and just drop group.

People who vote to kick a lot (initiating or just voting) will not be having their timer removed in the next patch while the rest of us will.

I'd rather use my votekick on the jerk with a power trip than the leecher.

Ouch, you think I do it to show who's in charge? Nah. I do it to show the leecher that his leeching has consequences. If no one does anything, the dungeon will be over before the leecher can be kicked.

Like I said, some groups prefer to votekick me instead. I don't really care, as I'll get an instant queue again. If they votekick the leecher, I'll race them through the instance.

I do exactly the same if people start ninjaing blues. Yes it's only blues, but if no one does anything about it, they will continue doing it.

[Vook]

The DPS and Healer then start to complain about me not holding threat. When I try to explain that I have to attack the mobs before them to get threat I'm just called a noob and flamed to no end.

Don't pull the mobs off them, let them die. If they like to pull aggro off of you over and over, then they obviously want to tank. :P

[snuzzle]

Ouch, you think I do it to show who's in charge? Nah. I do it to show the leecher that his leeching has consequences. If no one does anything, the dungeon will be over before the leecher can be kicked.

Like I said, some groups prefer to votekick me instead. I don't really care, as I'll get an instant queue again. If they votekick the leecher, I'll race them through the instance.

I do exactly the same if people start ninjaing blues. Yes it's only blues, but if no one does anything about it, they will continue doing it.

I don't care why you do it, my point here is it's not punishing the leecher, at all. The group wastes their one vote to kick on you, and the leecher gets to complete his run without consequence. Unless the group wants to complete a run with someone who is yes, being a jerk by saying essentially "I am going to be more dead weight until you kick one of us."

[Elica]

I don't care why you do it, my point here is it's not punishing the leecher, at all. The group wastes their one vote to kick on you, and the leecher gets to complete his run without consequence. Unless the group wants to complete a run with someone who is yes, being a jerk by saying essentially "I am going to be more dead weight until you kick one of us."

If they chose to kick me, therefore "wasting" their kick, then it's their choice. If they'd rather kick me for "being a jerk" (your opinion), than kick a guy who's leeching, then they're simply wasting more of their precious time by having to wait for a new tank. Blizzard have left me no choice other than to do what I do. It's a simple matter of principle. Until they remove the stupid 15min timer, or at least reduce it to 5min or less, I'll feel forced to hit the brakes every time someone decides to leech or ninja.

Your "point" is that a 15min wait time followed by a kick, then another 15min queue time isn't a punishment for a leecher? "at all"? You are wrong. You meant to say that I'm punishing the entire group because of 1 guy leeching, and that's true, and I don't find any satisfaction in doing so, other than knowing that I used the only possible way to show the leecher that his actions has consequences.

I should mention that most leechers decide to stop leeching when I make it clear I wont tolerate it.

[snuzzle]

If they chose to kick me, therefore "wasting" their kick, then it's their choice. If they'd rather kick me for "being a jerk" (your opinion), than kick a guy who's leeching, then they're simply wasting more of their precious time by having to wait for a new tank. Blizzard have left me no choice other than to do what I do. It's a simple matter of principle. Until they remove the stupid 15min timer, or at least reduce it to 5min or less, I'll feel forced to hit the brakes every time someone decides to leech or ninja.

Your "point" is that a 15min wait time followed by a kick, then another 15min queue time isn't a punishment for a leecher? "at all"? You are wrong. You meant to say that I'm punishing the entire group because of 1 guy leeching, and that's true, and I don't find any satisfaction in doing so, other than knowing that I used the only possible way to show the leecher that his actions has consequences.

I should mention that most leechers decide to stop leeching when I make it clear I wont tolerate it.

No it's not, because you know what usually happens when the tank throws a hissy and leaves the party? The ret paladin, or balance druid, or death knight, or fury warrior picks up their other spec and tanks and we grab another dps in no time at all.

But that's fine, because with your constant kicking and leaving, you'll find you still have to suffer the fifteen minute timer in the next patch.

When you say "most leechers decide to stop leeching when I make it clear I wont tolerate it" do you mean you warn them and then they come away from afk? Because that's fine. But I assure you, your actions are teaching no one a lesson other than "Damn, another tank on a power trip..."