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    Dismantling ignorance, a thread of enlightenment.

    There are things in every community that are so mindbogglingly ignorant that just mentioning it tears the community in half. These issues deserve to be looked into examined and exposed for the nonsense that truly are and I am going to do just that for one of the largest problems plaguing the MMO-C community today.

    GEARSCORE
    What is this addon? Let's ask the author "GearScore is an addon for World of Warcraft that allows you to quickly and easily judge a player's level of Gear. GearScore represents the maximum potential for a player to perform. The higher your GearScore the higher your potential to heal/dps/tank. Remember however, that is is up to the player's skill to match that potential."

    Simply put, gearscore is a tool created to address the problem created by blizzard in making gear nearly identical. Gearscore removes the need to load up a players armory, and speeds up the process of character inspection.

    What is the perceived problem?
    Clearly, just as human beings want to be known by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin so do world of warcraft characters and the number of their gearscore. What Gearscore does is assign a numerical value of potential output from a mathematical standpoint of what that specific character is capable of in the gear they are wearing. Players do not want to be simply classified into "do's" and "don't's" without taking their individual ability into account, something an addon can and will never be able to do.

    Why is it ignorant to attack a tool like gearscore?
    Gearscore will never get you invited to a group, nor will it get you denied access to a group that responsibility is and will always be subject to the whims and wants of the raid leader or raid assistants. Unfortunately the massive success of this game makes everyone expendable as they are immediately replaced and looked over thanks to the sheer volume of alternative players. Some raid leaders lack the time or desire to look into a potential invites ability as a player and who could blame them, this is where gearscore comes in to play in assisting a quick moderately informed decision.


    So where does the hate come from?
    Like most emotions, hate especially in this case is born of ignorance and the inability to separate cause from effect. In this specific case the hatred is born from being denied access to a group the player feels they should be capable of contributing to without problem. The denial of access to the raid group would be the effect in this situation. The Cause of the effect would be the discrimination employed by the raid leader. To combat or take issue with the effect of a cause is as senseless as attempting to plug a hole in a boat, by repeatedly bailing out the water pouring through it. Although the two are related, you must combat the source (discrimination by raid leaders) to effectively combat and hope to eliminate the symptoms (the future unjust denial of raid invites).

    Summation
    Gearscore is simply another symptom of player discrimination that has been part of this game and genre of mmorpg's since grouping was initiated. As long as two players have a different level of ability, there will be raid leaders determined to invite the better of the two. Recognizing that getting to know any given players actual skill when conducting raid invites is an impossible task given time constraints, knowing the average realm has around 15,000 players on it. To take issue and create gearscore hatred threads on this forum or elsewhere displays a massive failure at understanding the cause and effect interaction of this system. Furthermore to hate gearscore for 'denying you access to raids' is like hating your credit score for denying you access to a loan. These things exist for a reason, if they were abolished another form would arise because the reason they exist has not been addressed. To hate gearscore is to blame the calculator for showing a solution to a mathematical equation that results in you not being able to afford something you want.

    Realistically and finally, wrath of the lich king is the easiest expansion so far to become geared enough for the latest tier of gear by casual means. If you're subjecting yourself to the method of raiding (pugging) that results in you being judged by what you're wearing there are two paths to take. Find another method of raiding (guild raiding) or improve your gear to their desired standards. I sincerely hope that anyone continuing to continue this idiotic tirade would take the time to read this, and understand the error of their ways.






    E-Peen
    What is this term?
    From urbandictionary "e - meaning online peen - short for penis A person's ego, pertaining exclusively to their online personality."

    This is a rather crude and unattractive term, yet people continue to brandish it so I will further and more appropriately define it as pride.
    What is pride? "Pleasure or satisfaction taken in an achievement, possession, or association"

    What is the perceived problem?
    The community has deemed it unacceptable to take pride in your accomplishments, and doubly unacceptable to do so publicly. This is the equivalent to bashing an Olympic athlete for doing press releases wearing their gold silver or bronze medals well after the event they earned them from was finished. Substitute medals and olympic athletes with football players and superbowl rings, or boxers and wrestlers with title belts. The community finds it offensive that the achievers of these goals take pride in their success and immediately attach the phrase "flexing their e-peen". It would be suggested that the community would prefer if anyone happens to achieve any of their goals, to do so quietly and to themselves and if there is a visual title gearing or mount attached to that accomplishment that it be removed or hidden.

    Why is it ignorant to attack an emotion like pride?
    Pride is inherent in the human condition and in psychological terms, Pride is "a pleasant, sometimes exhilarating, emotion that results from a positive self-evaluation." A common understanding of pride is that it results from satisfaction with meeting the personal goals set by oneself, such as those from reaching esteemed goals such as rank 1 gladiator, country or world first kills or the lesser forms of these goals (gladiator, duelist, faction and realm first).

    So where does the hate come from?
    Attacking pride or "e-peen" is effectively a display of jealously from the parties who have not achieved the goal in question, or have already achieved that goal and are reluctant to share it. People who act in this manner generally have not made anything of themselves or simply enjoy raining on an-others parade. Often the onlookers find a way to hate even the most innocent actions such as standing idly while away from the keyboard while wearing a legendary weapon or current optimal raid gear. An appropriate term to label these unhappy onlookers would be the current hip hop term "haters".

    Summation
    Everyone has a sense of pride or ego at some point in their lives and in some point of their characters lives. Do you take pride in the fact you reached level 80, have multiple high level characters, killed the antagonist of the expansion, owned someone in pvp? All of these feelings of accomplishment feed into ego and are defined quite clearly in most respects as "e-peen". To persecute someone for having "e-peen" or pride is to shoot yourself in the foot anytime you ever reach a goal and announce it, even something as simple as saying "ding" in guild chat while leveling. In the end, as a community we really need to see the hypocrisy in our deeds and realize that taking pride in your accomplishments at its core is what an MMO is all about.
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    Well, this thread is gonna end up locked.

    Why can't we just admit it? We won't stop until the blood is flowing.

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    Much common sense. Prepare to watch it be wasted on most sheeple round these parts....

    The only worse place you could have posted this would be the official forums.

    oh, you didn't, did you? 8|
    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Hazzikostas
    LFR justifies the creation of more raid content when millions of players are able to see content. Only a few thousand people actually saw Kel'thuzad, but millions saw Deathwing. The reason Mists of Pandaria is starting with 18 bosses and adding larger raid tiers than we have had previously is because many players are going to see the raids through LFR.
    So Hardcore elitest raiders trying to get LFR removed are in fact essentially trying to kill off their own content!

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    Pretty serious mode information here he he he he ho he ha ho

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    Quote Originally Posted by sulfuric View Post
    Furthermore to hate gearscore for 'denying you access to raids' is like hating your credit score for denying you access to a loan.
    I like this analogy.
    WoW having more subs than SWTOR is the same thing as Justin Bieber having more youtube plays than Tupac. Just because its more popular doesn't mean its good.

    Warcraft Lore has gone from one of the most vast and interesting stories in all of gaming to a bad Thrall Fanfic by Chris Metzen.

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    Problem is that the people writing the: fu gs or I love you gs are just like the people writing the armory--> fix me threads. They dont look around the forums for other topics and because of this, this thread is 100% pointless since its not going to change the fact that we are still going to have weekly plzz break gs threads.

    The only thing that would help is forum bans just like the ones placed for writing fake email threads.

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    Pretty much everything you said is correct but people are going to argue and post "cool story bro" anyway just because they can.

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    "perceived problem" ?

    No, the problem is real.

    One, People asking for insane GS for raids. This is the fault of the people using the addon.

    Two, GS spamming people who don't have the addon and causing lag. Claims to have been fixed last year, but hasn't been. This is the fault of the addon.
    Over the course of a fight, when 4 people's GS sends out about 50x more data than 5 people's HealBot does, there is a problem. Yes, traffic meter was reset about 2 seconds into the pull and read during Deathwhisper's on death speech.
    Zero gear changes had occurred, unless someone switched a weapon during the course of the fight. Still, how many people would have to be switching weapons every second to achieve that result?

    Third, the addon has no care for which item is better, only which has the higher iLevel.
    Examples: Paladin Healing Librams, the 200 Badge > 213 Badge; 200 Badge > 232 Badge; 232 Crit or Spell Power Trinket >>>>>>>> 264 Hit trinket if Hit Capped already; PvP Gear.
    Following GS, you would actually take the item that is worse for you, only because it will give you a higher score.

    The first, I can only blame on stupid people.
    The second and third, I can only blame on the addon.
    Last edited by Nalnik; 2010-06-17 at 04:41 PM.
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    this needs to stop and I'm sick of seeing threads about GearScore. I don't hate the mod, but I hate the god damn threads about it. Even if the OP wanted to start a civilized conversation it always ending in a QQ/flame thread fed by trolls and idiots on both sides of this retarded topic.

    OP, I don't fucking care what you have to say about GS, but this forum does not need another thread about it--period.

    /rage
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    To stop the whole gear-score saga in WoW this last expansion you should probably try to stop talking about it and hope people forget about it and move on. I prefer blizzard come up with an in-game feature that detects whether the player is a clicker or keybinder. This information should be viewable by the public as well!

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    Oh wow, godwin's law already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    "perceived problem" ?

    No, the problem is real.
    Thank you for providing a demonstration of this inept mentality in the very thread meant to debunk it, allow me to help you.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    One, People asking for insane GS for raids. This is the fault of the people using the addon.
    Incorrect, this is discrimination which I outlined in the cause and effect part of the original post. Had gearscore never been invented, these people would be asking you to be wearing full t10 heroic or whatever tier was available at the time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    Two, GS spamming people who don't have the addon and causing lag. Claims to have been fixed last year, but hasn't been. This is the fault of the addon.
    Over the course of a fight, when 4 people's GS sends out about 50x more data than 5 people's HealBot does, there is a problem. Yes, traffic meter was reset about 2 seconds into the pull and read during Deathwhisper's on death speech.
    Zero gear changes had occurred, unless someone switched a weapon during the course of the fight. Still, how many people would have to be switching weapons every second to achieve that result?
    Assumed lag associated with the processes preformed by an addon have nothing to do with this thread nor this mentality. I suggest if lag is a problem for you a computer or internet service upgrade be in your future plans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    Third, the addon has no care for which item is better, only which has the higher iLevel.
    Examples: Paladin Healing Librams, the 200 Badge > 213 Badge; 200 Badge > 232 Badge; 232 Crit or Spell Power Trinket >>>>>>>> 264 Hit trinket if Hit Capped already; PvP Gear.
    Following GS, you would actually take the item that is worse for you, only because it will give you a higher score.
    This is a shortcoming of the methodology of the addon, in this same way could you trick flame leviathan into providing more health and damage to your vehicle, this again has no bearing on the discussion at hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    The first, I can only blame on stupid people.
    The second and third, I can only blame on the addon.
    You assume that a widely used addon is causing server instability and increasing latency between parties, if this were true blizzard would address the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iceberg265 View Post
    I like this analogy.

    Agreed. Op's post was informative, got right to the point and I would further suggest it goes way past just an educated opinion to fact. This is the reason people hate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye Heart GS View Post
    I remember a guy like you who used to go around forcing his beliefs on others. He started up a few camps in Germany back in the 40s and it didn't turn out well for him in the end.

    Let this be a warning to you.
    I think you just lost the internet with that comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye Heart GS View Post
    I remember a guy like you who used to go around forcing his beliefs on others. He started up a few camps in Germany back in the 40s and it didn't turn out well for him in the end.

    Let this be a warning to you.
    Everyone is subject to logical assessment my friend, I am not forcing beliefs on anyone however what I am doing is applying logic to their predicament. I hope you're not pretending the statements you make are outside the realm of criticism and logical analysis?

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    It doesn't matter how much you debate it.
    Gearscore is and always will be fail in my eyes. I don't invite, nor do I want to be invited by people who use gearscore.
    Why? I don't want numbers to limit what I can and cannot do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eye Heart GS View Post
    I remember a guy like you who used to go around forcing his beliefs on others. He started up a few camps in Germany back in the 40s and it didn't turn out well for him in the end.

    Let this be a warning to you.
    It is a comon mistake ppl make about Hitler he didnt actualy hated Jew's he just used there mony to found his warr and it was way easyer to make stupid ppl like you belive that "god wants jew to die"
    He was married to a jew FFS
    Also it is discutabel if it didnt ended good for him i mean he was like the leader of half the world for 4 years few ppl can say they did 1% that much in a lifetime :P

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    Dismantling critic responses to my thoughts, a thread of retardation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalnik View Post
    "perceived problem" ?
    Third, the addon has no care for which item is better, only which has the higher iLevel.
    Examples: Paladin Healing Librams, the 200 Badge > 213 Badge; 200 Badge > 232 Badge; 232 Crit or Spell Power Trinket >>>>>>>> 264 Hit trinket if Hit Capped already; PvP Gear.
    This should not be needed for GS. GS is just a tool, not a tell all. Used more for pugs than anything else its not something that can be controlled until blizz puts an eternal system in place past what they use now that would allow GS to track stupidity. With pugs people that are over hit cap but still doing their jobs (we are not talking about hard mode LK here) and getting the job done in raid can stay over hit cap as far as I am concerned and I won't loose a seconds sleep about it.

    But if they come in as a melee wearing sp shit to get past GS and suck the raid up they can be quickly removed and replaced. See GS will get you to the first pull of an instance with a better (%) chance of a better raid than just about any other in game tool. It is much easier to find out about a baddy in the raid and replace him 90% of the time than it is to start a raid by checking armory and achievements. Take the good with the bad if you use it or don't and if you really hate it join a raiding guild that is progressing if they will have you, uninstall the addon and do your job.

    If you don't do it well enough the guild will ask you to do what you need to change and do it better or remove you and find someone with a higher GS to replace you lol.
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