Things to tank at 4500 gs?

[Organoth]

What the hell are you talking about? People do farm him for the mount. Hell, guilds SELL mount runs for 80K+ gold.

Thank you, you made my point for me. "Guilds" farm him and sell the mount. They bring someone along who does nothing or is usually ordered to kill themselves at the pull while the ppl who actually know the fight go an down him. He is not however being farmed by pugs, as was my point, and never will be because he is not a fight you can over gear.

[cawf]

u know liek having full 232 gear is only like 4700-4800 gs... which is plenty for icc 10...i did like 5 bosses in a TERRIBLE pug on my warrior with jst 4 set 232 and the 245 badge pieces... >.> and icc is even easier now... lul @ 25% buff

[Deleted]

any, i had a 4k gs tank for icc 25, we did it 7/12 which is enough for a pug.

[G_A]

With 4.5k GS, there's still gear you can pick up from Triumph. Grab full Tier, head into ToC25, pick up the odd pieces there, and you should be near 4.9 / 5k. Then get yourself into a 4/12 ICC10 PuG, and after a week or two you should been near 5.2.

It'd be happy sailing from that point onwards.

[Maladroite]

Hello!
I'm a tank from the guild <Undergeared>, so maybe I can give a somewhat satisfying answer.
First of all, I do believe that people overestimate the stupidity of pugs as well as the difficulty of ICC. If you're worried about the quality of PuGs, then just start your own and be picky about who to invite.

Secondly, ICC10 normal mode is extremely easy with the buff. I'm not saying that <Undergeared> is one-shotting everything in there (19 wipes on Blood Princes before they died), but I'm pretty sure we are by far the worst geared raid group to ever go to ICC, with the average GS of 3300. The majority of people have at least over 4k GS. In <Undergeared> our problems with downing bosses have never been about tank getting one-shotted. 2-3 blue geared healers can keep a blue geared tank alive in ICC10, at least the first 7 bosses.

So OP: unless you have absolute drooling retards who don't know how to faceroll their keyboards, you CAN tank ICC10. Your main problem would be with keeping aggro from the better geared dps so I would recommend that you try to work on your gear before going ICC10, if only for that reason.

Also, the others who have replied are correct. The <Undergeared> project is not meant to prove that you can slack with your gear and still faceroll ICC. It's meant to show that people's failure at killing bosses is not because of their lack of gear, but because they are bad players. 5k GS raids that fail in ICC are simply bad, not undergeared. Personally I believe that maximizing your toon's gear and your own skill at playing your class is an important part of playing WoW.

[yakuza2k3]

Do HC and try to get lucky in VoA. you should be able to tank toc 10/25 and ulduar

[Athael]

I regularly tanked the first 4 bosses of ICC10 with my paladin, with no gear above ilevel 232 (and some as low as 200), overall GS of 3900 and no area buff (Since ICC had just come out). And yet these days, no PuGs will take my tank into ICC, even though he's 25% more powerful than before. How funny.

The first wing of ICC10 can be tanked by someone in blues, if they're good and using the 25% buff. As to the other bosses, I can't personally say.

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That's not an excuse. Why are you on a dead, backwater realm? I've realm swapped my three best toons (paladin, druid, warrior) twice now and I'm poor as fuck.

Badass alert! Poor-as-fuck guy willing to spend $120 of his apparently very scarce money on nonessential, noncontent videogame services, and then has the audacity to insult other people for not spending that same, ridiculous amount of cash for the opportunity to raid with other dbags like him!

[SilkforCalde]

LOL, that's ridiculous to you? Get a job.

[Athael]

Yeah, because the only reason it's ridiculous to spend $120 on optional, noncontent services for a video game that doesn't change your game experience AT ALL beyond giving you a new set of people to play with, is because I'm supposedly unemployed.

Are you high? You can buy 2 full video games for that kind of money. You can pay for just short of a year's subscription. And you have the audacity to tell someone they're "Making excuses" because they're not wasting that kind of money like you are?

Again: Are you high?

$120 is $120. If you were actually poor as fuck, you'd know not to waste that kind of cash for the privilege of clearing ICC a month or two earlier than the bad/backwater servers.

Edit: I was wrong, it's not $120! It's $150! That makes you even more insane.

[SilkforCalde]

Yeah, because the only reason it's ridiculous to spend $120 on optional, noncontent services for a video game that doesn't change your game experience AT ALL beyond giving you a new set of people to play with, is because I'm supposedly unemployed.

Are you high? You can buy 2 full video games for that kind of money. You can pay for just short of a year's subscription. And you have the audacity to tell someone they're "Making excuses" because they're not wasting that kind of money like you are?

Again: Are you high?

$120 is $120. If you were actually poor as fuck, you'd know not to waste that kind of cash for the privilege of clearing ICC a month or two earlier than the bad/backwater servers.

Dude, you are talking like someone that has never experienced the difference between high pop and low pop. The difference is MASSIVE. If you can't afford it, I'd recommend rerolling completely.

[ardoRic]

The first wing of ICC10 can be tanked by someone in blues, if they're good and using the 25% buff. As to the other bosses, I can't personally say.[COLOR="red"]

Actually, you can do quite more than just the first wing in blues.

[SilkforCalde]

And you could OT Karazhan as a level 69 in greens, but good luck finding a group back then! lulz

[draticus]

Actually, you can do quite more than just the first wing in blues.

See, these threads where the average Joe is asking what he should be trying to tank in pugs are exactly the problem I was mentioning in your thread. You ARE trying to apply your project to the topic of what gear should be accepted in pugs. There is a huge difference between the outer fringes of possibility and whats reasonably attainable. If your undergeared group had walked into ICC with 9 people you've never met, with no vent, and cleared 6 bosses in your first 3 hours THEN you could talk about tanks being able to tank in blues in threads about pugs.

As it is you're just confusing what should be a very clear subject: Gear is very easy to get. Put in the work just like everyone else before trying to get carried through ICC, especially as a tank. Appropriate gear levels are about coming prepared so you can contribute to a group effort, not putting in the absolute minimal effort you can before joining a group where if everyone else is in the same gear you are, you're going to be struggling.

Getting good gear is much easier than raiding ICC with a blue tank.

[Pelister]

See, these threads where the average Joe is asking what he should be trying to tank in pugs are exactly the problem I was mentioning in your thread. You ARE trying to apply your project to the topic of what gear should be accepted in pugs. There is a huge difference between the outer fringes of possibility and whats reasonably attainable. If your undergeared group had walked into ICC with 9 people you've never met, with no vent, and cleared 6 bosses in your first 3 hours THEN you could talk about tanks being able to tank in blues in threads about pugs.

As it is you're just confusing what should be a very clear subject: Gear is very easy to get. Put in the work just like everyone else before trying to get carried through ICC, especially as a tank. Appropriate gear levels are about coming prepared so you can contribute to a group effort, not putting in the absolute minimal effort you can before joining a group where if everyone else is in the same gear you are, you're going to be struggling.

Getting good gear is much easier than raiding ICC with a blue tank.

And you need to understand and grasp the moment, the tank CAN be blue geared in a icc pug since thanks to the buff he'll be around 47k fully buffed, aslong as the healers are epic the raid can steamroll it.

Easy concept to understand hard to mastr i presume.

[Pokemaster]

ICC 10, the buff does a lot

[saagjin]

icc has been done with -4k gs fully. so stop the drama

[Ewell]

Hi, please dont flame/troll me.
But I was wondering what raids should I try to go after at 4500 GS nearly 30k unbuffed and about 33k raidbuffed?
Thanks anyway

That's pretty sad when a person is asking a legitimate question but has to preface it by saying "dont flame/troll me." You flamers out there should be proud of yourselves.