The vote kick system

[akaTheDude]

And miss out on 10 frost a week? lol holy crap this forum sure has some retarded people.

I am just going to leave this here
7 days in a week = 14

[Cathercy]

And miss out on 10 frost a week? lol holy crap this forum sure has some retarded people.

Uh, me thinks it's 14.

And I don't do heroics either. Too boring. It's not retarded, it's a choice.

[Simon_Moon]

All bad said about vote kicking does not apply to simply leaving. If people seem way too stupid and I am the tank, well, you just one 1 wipe and an average queuetime of waiting. Even better if you make a deal with the healer, if he/she is a decent person.

[Lebored]

The vote kick with out a doubt needs some refining, but we all know the reason those restictions are in place is because people would abuse a looser system.

I agree the time limit should be reduced to like 5-10 min or if you can get four yes votes than you can vote kick more than once.
But as you can see with people abusing the system because they know you can't vote kick them people will abuse the system because they know they can vote kick anyone.

While it doesn't happen often when I do get a zone in AFKer I will usually just propose to the group that we hold off on the last boss so we can kick and get someone in who does want in. So far everyones been OK with that. I usually assume it's just some botter who set it up to accept the random invite and go AFK.

I never vote kick for low dps as long as they are trying or healers asking to wait for mana or whatever. And if I get someone carrying on like a jackass to the point that I can't take it I will just drop group myself. I know I have more than one character I'll be doing the daily on so I just go to another character and come back when the debuff has expired. And at this point I'm smart enough to tank or heal on any class that can so I'm not sitting in queues for long periods of time.

[Naoto]

I just had the worst group in a long time for OK and when I tried to kick an afk shaman it was now a 22 minute wait, what is the point of the system? you can kick 2 people then after that you need to wait double the length of the heroic? is this Blizzards way of taking the cunt? oh it's only a heroic, oh just leave QQ, yea that's the best way to solve it right?

And I'm well aware a week has 7 days but somehow I only counted monday to friday, doesn't really matter anyway what you mongs are saying is we should put up with afkers or just leave, fuck it anyway next time this shit happens I'm going afk and waiting for them to kick me, since I get instant queues anyway, and I'm guessing you guys don't do the daily heroics hence why you're saying this dumb nonsense, because lets face it, if you suffered this shit you'd just leave right? and not care at all? haha.

Go boost 1-2 afkers in heroics and see how many times you can do that without thinking the system is bullshit.

[LeperHerring]

There should be no limitations, a simple majority vote should be able to kick anyone. In the current system I can hop into LFG, immediately port out the instance, go do some dailies or farming, teleport back when the group is killing the end boss and get my frost badges and nobody can kick me. That's a severely flawed system.

This new change that you can't kick people if you've kicked many in the past is also pants-on-head-retarded. I used to chain run heroics with my tank and often there are very legitimate reasons to kick people like fake disconnect (port to dala, log alt), afk inside the instance, act abusive etc. etc. It makes no sense at all to restrict my ability to kick people because I've kicked many people for legitimate reasons in the past.

[manageri]

Even the devs can't be so completely retarded that they can't see how utterly shit this system is and how free kicking is the most reasonable thing in the world. Blizz obviously has some reason they don't want to give us the power, propably that they fear we "elitists" would just instantly kick new players all the time and make them quit which would cost Blizz money, so have fun carrying the mongoloids and afkers because it's clear Blizz has no fucking intention of changing it.

[Fenixdown]

I have to say, I can't recall ever having these issues. I seem to be able to kick people long before some half an hour into an instance, especially if they disconnect for a period of time.

Mayhaps some of you just play on some godawful battlegroups. I'm not even going to suggest just leaving the instances, I'm going to go the old "PvP server" route.

If your battlegroup's so bad, transfer. That is all. Thank you.

(and if you don't like that answer, tough. If it works to tell the so-called "carebears" to gtfo of their server, then it works for you)

[Ssateneth]

You know what would fix the afk problem? "Report AFK". Battlegrounds have it, and it prevents them from getting honor. Why not apply it to dungeons? Report em AFK, and they no longer get loot, xp, or badges until they contribute to the fight by attacking a non-critter mob or healing someone who has mob agro. Problem mostly solved. Won't fix people who bot heroics, but they're better than people who full-on AFK.

In fact, I'm going to submit this to blizz suggestion forums. Fat chance that it'll get noticed, mind, but I want this off my chest.

[Baron01]

The vote-kick system is not work properly, it never did. Last patch just nailed it.

The restrictions work one time but not other time. My recent encounter is from yesterday when I tried to kick an idiot who joined, informed us he is going AFK and he did--all decked out in ilvl264 gear. He did not return after 2, 3, 5 or 10 minutes. Funny thing is I got message telling me I have 27 minutes CD till I can kick someone. On my first HC that day.

Later on that evening, I joined another HC, same case as above. I initiate and to my surprise it has passed right after the guy said he wants to do some freaking achievement or else he is not moving.

Blizzard fails to tune the system, which is bad because the number of jerks is growing each day. I have encountered dramatic increase of "funny guys"--usually joining in 2 or 3 from the same guild and server--who think that joining HC via LFD tool and announcing "BRB going to fry a fish", "OMG my dog died, brb!" or something similar is the most hilarious thing on Earth. Fuck them!

[Ssateneth]

You can insta-kick people who queue for specific instead of random.

[Halicia]

kicks for "social" reasons need to be separated from those players that are /AFK. if a player's afk, they need to be able to be replaced immediately. period. differentiating these from the kicks initiated because of some "conflict" would help make everything a lot more accurate.

and in all fairness, the LFG cooldowns need to take the queuetime into consideration. I wouldnt really mind a 60 minute interval between LFG's, if the 15-30 minutes of waiting for a queue to pop was considered... and preferably only restrict people from JOINING a queue that's popped when they're still on cooldown, not actually restricting them from queueing up.

this would help keep tanks & healers a little more... civil... to dps if they knew they'd have to eat a similar waiting time as them.

[tanked]

And miss out on 10 frost a week? lol holy crap this forum sure has some retarded people.

says the guy who cant add



but yea, i agree the system needs some changes. i cant stand afkers..

[velde046]

There's some activity statistic ingame right? We use it for raid rolling stuff in ICC for example. Why not use that to automatically kick people or make that the criterium for having a possible insta-kick. If person is voted to be kicked and activity percentage is lower than X% kicking is immediate...

[Twoflower]

They should make it so that you can either :

- kick for a user specified reason with all the limitations the system has today.

- Select one of the specified reasons from a menu and kick with no restrictions wahtsoever. ( reasons would be : offensive behaviour / afking / ninjaing / not even porting into the instance )

[anyaka21]

why you should kick anyone in a heroic istance.

i think there is no valid argument. even if i find the guy which does 200dps, or the healer who heals bad, or the tank who's started to gear...i can stand that. they really need the heroics, not like the majority that wants a fast run only for the 2 frost.

every istance now can be 3 manned, because of gear around. if you don't like the group, leave istance.

Because those people are no different than the ones that enter BG's and go AFK. Most times it is dps, and as thus you know they've been waiting in queue for 15minutes, so you know they are by their keyboard, most likely alt-tabbed watching porn. You also know they are paying attention because they always magically appear just before a boss encounter, and then go AFK right afterwards. Then they'll get their frost badges after the last boss dies and leave, and as thus make the people waiting on the loot wait the 3-4 minutes for the loot to roll around, or they need everything and ninja out.

[Ducon]

So solution is to put baddies with baddies and pro's with pro's, problem solved.

And how exactly would you do this? Using GS? Mind boggles once again.....

[Admiral Hazard]

my sons retarded.

[Zuroka]

It occurs to me that Blizzard isn't gonna just remove the kick limitations, so here's an idea at the other end of the spectrum.

Right now, the game only tracks the people doing the kicking, and penalizes them by giving them a kicking cooldown. To balance this, the people being kicked should also be penalized in the form of reducing the cooldown of other people trying to kick them. The idea is if it's deemed bad to kick someone, then being kicked is also bad.

For example, let's assume every person you kick adds 5 minutes to your cooldown (let's ignore that it probably decays) and every time you get kicked, it reduces others' kick cooldown on you by 5 minutes. Player A has kicked 4 people lately and must now wait 20 minutes from the start of an instance to kick someone. Now, you come up to douchebag player B that other people have managed to kick 3 times lately for going AFK, so he's got a -15 minute penalty for being kicked. Now, player A only needs to wait 5 minutes (20 - 15) to kick player B. Anyone else also gets a -15 minute modifier for kicking player B.

The main idea is that people who get kicked deserve it 99% of the time, so the game effectively labels them douchebags for the benefit of normal players. Of course, the penalty would need to decay over time so even douchebags can redeem themselves. It would also mitigate the rare occurrence of an innocent player being kicked.

You know, wouldn't it be a whole lot simpler if they just removed the kick limitations?

[Bokoshoko]

Even the devs can't be so completely retarded that they can't see how utterly shit this system is and how free kicking is the most reasonable thing in the world. Blizz obviously has some reason they don't want to give us the power, propably that they fear we "elitists" would just instantly kick new players all the time and make them quit which would cost Blizz money, so have fun carrying the mongoloids and afkers because it's clear Blizz has no fucking intention of changing it.

Ah but can you not see your one of the reasons there is a "system" in place? Just read what you wrote back to yourself; seriously you get that "passionate" about a game on an internet forum?

Many of the people responding in this thread are themselves the reason why Blizzard needs some kind of system. I quite agree that AFKers are a pain but many of the reasons/scenarios given so far are very subjective; your categorisation of a player as mongoloid for example, or that poor tank who has already kicked so many people (because they were retards, idiots blah blah) he now has 30 mins to wait before he can kick people.

It's an imperfect system in an imperfect world that trys to strike a balance between the various conflicting interests of random players. Free kicking would be abused - hell a large number of people in this very thread would spend more time raging and kicking people than actually running the instances.

You have choice - you can run instances via the random dungeon finder and accept all the risks that come with it or you can use alternative methods; run them with guildies, do it the old way and sit in Dalaran spamming /2 with LFM messages.

You click the random option, you get random people, all with different ideas about what is right/wrong etc - you can't allow all those people to free kick nothing would get done.

You make the group yourself and you get to choose who's in and who's out so you can gather around you a group of people who meet your criteria.