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    Nope, you're wrong there. In i7 Extreme Editions the difference in addition to unlocked multipliers is significantly faster internal bus speed as well as 32nm process + extra cores in the 980X. Very different from the standard i7 and it comes at nearly double price of similar non-EE speed model. AMD BE's have only unlocked multiplier and price is directly proportional to the stock speeds.

    Intel is coming with 'just' unlocked CPU's soon which will be direct competition to BE's, but today it's not even in the same ballpark. EE has always been 'performance for those with more money than sense' while BE is 'license to OC'.
    you're correct, I left out the other parts of the EE Intels. I have owned the 975x and the 980x, so im well aware of the differences. But the BE has been stated numerous times as AMD's intel's EE competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief94 View Post
    AMD indeed, Intel has just completey WTFPWNED them with the new I technology, ATI however, are still in my opinion, doing better than Nvidea.
    then you need to read the latest benchmarks. ATI is gettin crushed by nvidia. The 5870 is losing to the 470 now. The 480, not even close.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiran View Post
    you're correct, I left out the other parts of the EE Intels. I have owned the 975x and the 980x, so im well aware of the differences. But the BE has been stated numerous times as AMD's intel's EE competition.

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    then you need to read the latest benchmarks. ATI is gettin crushed by nvidia. The 5870 is losing to the 470 now. The 480, not even close.
    Yeah but as if we dont all know ATI is going to bring out a better graphics card, that will hammer nvidea, like in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief94 View Post
    Yeah but as if we dont all know ATI is going to bring out a better graphics card, that will hammer nvidea, like in the past.
    And then nVidia will bring out a better one. It's all a game of leap frog and has been for years. Right now nVidia is winning the performance war, while ATi is winning the value war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilraaz View Post
    And then nVidia will bring out a better one. It's all a game of leap frog and has been for years. Right now nVidia is winning the performance war, while ATi is winning the value war.
    Yeah thats the name of the game though, whos "winning" is subject to change. I think in terms of target market, ATI huge range of different capability and priced cards is just amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief94 View Post
    Yeah thats the name of the game though, whos "winning" is subject to change. I think in terms of target market, ATI huge range of different capability and priced cards is just amazing.
    I agree, but if my memory serves me right, nvidia has been winning for the past 5 or so generations of graphics cards. They come out slow, and end up freight training past ati at mid cycle.

    Keep in mind, nvidia is about to release the gtx 485, which is a cooler/faster 480.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiran View Post
    I agree, but if my memory serves me right, nvidia has been winning for the past 5 or so generations of graphics cards. They come out slow, and end up freight training past ati at mid cycle.

    Keep in mind, nvidia is about to release the gtx 485, which is a cooler/faster 480.
    Although i agree Nvidea push the power boat out a lot more than ATI do, its not accurate to say Nvidea have been beating ATI - Ati just, to me, seem more like a reliable, flexable brand. Its like yeah, if ive got an infinite money pool, and was building my dream gaming PC, yeah, nvidea ALL the way. However, as a guy whos doing alright, but not rich, i feel ATI are generally a useful card. E.G a couple of months back i was looking at a graphics card update, from the ATI 4350, there were plenty of cheap, but higher power upgrades available.

    Also, ive had Nvidea graphics cards before, and from my own PERSONAL opinion, they always seem to have some sort of error, bug, issue or hidden fault, mainly with the drivers.

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    I've killed just as many nvidia cards as I have ati cards. ATI isn't cheap either, the 5870 is still $350-$400, and performs worse than the $300 gtx 470 now. The 5970 still retails at $700, and barely edges the 480 in crossfire games... vs a single gpu.

    ATI isn't winning the value war either in the performance area. Now the sub $200 cards, yes ati is doing good... till the gtx 460 and 450.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiran View Post
    I've killed just as many nvidia cards as I have ati cards. ATI isn't cheap either, the 5870 is still $350-$400, and performs worse than the $300 gtx 470 now. The 5970 still retails at $700, and barely edges the 480 in crossfire games... vs a single gpu.

    ATI isn't winning the value war either in the performance area. Now the sub $200 cards, yes ati is doing good... till the gtx 460 and 450.
    I dont think you taking into account the VAST ammount of differently abled cards that ATI has to offer. Its like the ATI cards go from £10 to £20 to £30 to £40 to £50 etc etc with different power, different target market aimed cards. Nvidea are more like £25 £55 £85 etc etc. Although Nvidea are in my opinion, brilliant at the raw power their top end cards can deliver, ATI, i would imagine, make many, many more sales than the nvidea graphics cards, just on the huge variety they have. Think of it like Cola (nvidea) and diet cola (ati). Yeah, cola is awesome, but diet cola is different, but still nice, and suits more people for different reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief94 View Post
    I dont think you taking into account the VAST ammount of differently abled cards that ATI has to offer. Its like the ATI cards go from £10 to £20 to £30 to £40 to £50 etc etc with different power, different target market aimed cards. Nvidea are more like £25 £55 £85 etc etc. Although Nvidea are in my opinion, brilliant at the raw power their top end cards can deliver, ATI, i would imagine, make many, many more sales than the nvidea graphics cards, just on the huge variety they have. Think of it like Cola (nvidea) and diet cola (ati). Yeah, cola is awesome, but diet cola is different, but still nice, and suits more people for different reasons.
    What are you talking about? Nvidia still has many many sub $100 video cards for sale. May not be dx11 enabled, but still current models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiran View Post
    What are you talking about? Nvidia still has many many sub $100 video cards for sale. May not be dx11 enabled, but still current models.
    ATI has a much more vast variety compared to nvidea pal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warchief94 View Post
    ATI has a much more vast variety compared to nvidea pal.
    for dx11 cards sure, they have a good selection I'm not discounting them that. But you need to put your fanboyism away. Nvidia still has their dx10 cards that are still good performers for the dollar. Granted I am disapointed at their dx11 lineup not being diverse. I do give nvidia points for crushing the performance lineup.
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    We've gone from ATi being better to ATi having better price per performance to ATi having a better selection. Let's just sit back and admit that nVidia is winning the current war (overall, as ATi still owns the $100-200 bracket), and ATi will eventually leapfrog back to the number 1 spot like they always do.

    Any other argument is insanity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilraaz View Post
    We've gone from ATi being better to ATi having better price per performance to ATi having a better selection. Let's just sit back and admit that nVidia is winning the current war (overall, as ATi still owns the $100-200 bracket), and ATi will eventually leapfrog back to the number 1 spot like they always do.

    Any other argument is insanity.
    I've agreed that Nvidea are currently winning, ive said it a few times now, in terms of performance nvidea are just the elite, but what i was also saying is that ATI is good too, in their wide range of variety.

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    For god's sake, don't waste money on Windows

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pokemaster View Post
    For god's sake, don't waste money on Windows
    What a persuasive argument!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilraaz View Post
    We've gone from ATi being better to ATi having better price per performance to ATi having a better selection. Let's just sit back and admit that nVidia is winning the current war (overall, as ATi still owns the $100-200 bracket), and ATi will eventually leapfrog back to the number 1 spot like they always do.

    Any other argument is insanity.
    you've convinced me... nvidia is winning

    I've said it once and ill say it again, ati comes out of the gate swinging and nvidia finishes the race first.

    See new gen of video cards to repeat process.
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