Hunters and the new focus system

[Priceless08]

I'm sure that this isn't a refreshing forum post but from what I've seen about the new focus system it is unsettling. I have heard different things from people who are currently in beta. I was curious to know the perspectives of those who are currently in the beta testing. Whether they like or dislike how focus has been implemented thus far, and what should or shouldn't be changed about the system. From what I understand is that hunters will now have to switch and rely more on their aspects than they do today, e.g switching from aspect of the dragonhawk/hawk to do quick burst dmg and then to aspect of the fox to regen focus back and continue this until your enemy is dead. I also understand that steady/cobra shot will regen mana, but this leaves you casting these shots stationary and previously as a hunter kiting your opponent was key. I have also heard that aimed shot loses the 50% healing debuff, but hunters will now have a venom that will decrease healing done by 20% and chimera shot is now suppose to put a small healing buff on the hunter when it is shot. Personally, in a lot of ways I'm excited to try out the new focus system I'm nervous of the survivability aspect that will come while trying to pvp. I understand that there are still bugs to be worked out before cat, just curious about current perspectives that is all.

[Lord Lichfury]

I'm nervous of the survivability aspect that will come while trying to pvp.

I should like to think so, hunters are more of a faceroll than even rogues in pvp. If your survivability turns out to be worse, then i'll be getting my silver spoon and getting a big heaping spoonful of your just desserts.

[Priceless08]

hunters are more of a faceroll than even rogues in pvp. If your survivability turns out to be worse, then i'll be getting my silver spoon and getting a big heaping spoonful of your just desserts.

Yes because a rogue that specializes in bows and pets that has energy but not stealth is cool.

[skuuld]

Kiting isn't going to be an issue. Fox allows us to auto-shoot while on the move, as well as regening focus faster when we don't have time to steady/cobra.

currently regenning focus while stationary isn't an issue. You end up with enough focus to do competitive damage while in hawk. there are also key talents to assist you with this as well. you have to understand that the whole way a hunter deals damage is changing, we aren't the same class were you just stick to a rotation and pop those abilities off the CD, you now have to manage your focus, which for most hunters will take time.

As it stands, the new venom's are opening up a lot of depth and choice while still keeping the feel very simple. 30% cast slow, 12% armor pen, and 20% healing debuff are all very welcome imho. while tying them all into chimaera shot for even more utility.

Hunters are going to be in a very good place come cata, and i for one cannot wait.

[Priceless08]

Thanks I'm pretty excited but nervous to have to relearn how to play a hunter, I'm assuming that you are a beta tester? If you are sweet, I'm glad to hear this information. I started out as a hunter in vanilla and don't wanna lose my favorite class in under all these changes.

As it stands, the new venom's are opening up a lot of depth and choice while still keeping the feel very simple. 30% cast slow, 12% armor pen, and 20% healing debuff are all very welcome imho. while tying them all into chimaera shot for even more utility.

How exactly is Chimaera shot changing for hunters? As in, viper/serpent/scorpid stings did something extra to the target you were pew pewing. Meaning does it still disarm an opponent and refresh serpent sting, and have they incorporated something else in place of the viper sting since we no longer use mana. I was also wondering if Chimaera shot increase the venom debuffs on a target?

[Xamublack]

I should like to think so, hunters are more of a faceroll than even rogues in pvp. If your survivability turns out to be worse, then i'll be getting my silver spoon and getting a big heaping spoonful of your just desserts.

I don't know why people perpetuate the myth that Hunters are faceroll in PVP. A good hunter has to juggle upwards of 30 keybinds in any given encounter ... a Rogue maybe 12. I PVP a lot and like both my Hunter and Rogue and they each have good and bad points, but the Hunter is by no means an easy class to do well with.

[Priceless08]

Shhh leave the deathknight alone we all know that it is hard to play a deathknight.

[Mufasaprime]

Shhh leave the deathknight alone we all know that it is hard to play a deathknight.

love how we are the basturd child, and yet i hold back on hunters i see every day with int gems, needing on every weapon possible and thinking the rhino pet is amazing

edith, and dont armory this hunter btw, the 8 to stats on chest, resil head enchant, 6 to all stats gem has made my day, and to think this person actually had credibility to judge, man, was i wrong

[gulkeeva]

Thanks I'm pretty excited but nervous to have to relearn how to play a hunter, I'm assuming that you are a beta tester? If you are sweet, I'm glad to hear this information. I started out as a hunter in vanilla and don't wanna lose my favorite class in under all these changes.



How exactly is Chimaera shot changing for hunters? As in, viper/serpent/scorpid stings did something extra to the target you were pew pewing. Meaning does it still disarm an opponent and refresh serpent sting, and have they incorporated something else in place of the viper sting since we no longer use mana. I was also wondering if Chimaera shot increase the venom debuffs on a target?

chimera .. as far as I can tell now does the damage of both the sting+shot does in wotlk.. in 1 shot instantly (doesn't need the sting either for that damage) other then that it refreshes stings and venom's on the target... when you hit a target all you get is a "refreshes sting/venom" notice, nothing else

I've not tested to see if spamming chimera will make the chimera scale with the buffs I got in damage eventually or if I just need to toss a new one when I get all my procs.

At the moment BM may be the "strongest" due to 30 focus killcommand (15 while bestial) thats 6sec cooldown that can hit harder then aimed shot (strongest mm ability).

Boss dummy

BM killcommand
instant
30focus (15 bestial)
6sec cooldown
34-40K bestial
20-24K normal

MM aimed
2.5sec cast time
50focus
2.5sec cooldown (.5sec glyphed)
28-34K
(just aimed bleed is about 600, crits 1.4Kish, constant dps bleed reaches 3-4K/sec critting for 4.5K-5K)

combined with fevor.. BM can really rape someone. Although killcommand has a few little bugs.
aimed shot bleed crits though so its probably close.. but when it comes down to focus usage, bm will rape someone.

[Myrsky]

Kiting isn't going to be an issue. Fox allows us to auto-shoot while on the move, as well as regening focus faster when we don't have time to steady/cobra.

currently regenning focus while stationary isn't an issue. You end up with enough focus to do competitive damage while in hawk. there are also key talents to assist you with this as well. you have to understand that the whole way a hunter deals damage is changing, we aren't the same class were you just stick to a rotation and pop those abilities off the CD, you now have to manage your focus, which for most hunters will take time.

As it stands, the new venom's are opening up a lot of depth and choice while still keeping the feel very simple. 30% cast slow, 12% armor pen, and 20% healing debuff are all very welcome imho. while tying them all into chimaera shot for even more utility.

Hunters are going to be in a very good place come cata, and i for one cannot wait.

Like Huntards weren't already annoying enough with their "LOLODERPDERPDEFLECTMOUNTAINS" ability Deterrance and "FUCKTHISINSTANCEWIPELOLOL" Misdirect. >.>

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love how we are the basturd child, and yet i hold back on hunters i see every day with int gems, needing on every weapon possible and thinking the rhino pet is amazing

edith, and dont armory this hunter btw, the 8 to stats on chest, resil head enchant, 6 to all stats gem has made my day, and to think this person actually had credibility to judge, man, was i wrong

This guy speaks the truth. Huntards have been Warcrafts downsyndrome child and always will be. Death Knights atleast have a place in my books...

[Mr. Casual]

@xamublack.....dude i wonder the same thing, i wont talk about other faceroll classes but hunters by no means are faceroll and anyone who thinks other wise is misinformed. sometimes my head spins looking at all my keybinds

[Myrsky]

@xamublack.....dude i wonder the same thing, i wont talk about other faceroll classes but hunters by no means are faceroll and anyone who thinks other wise is misinformed. sometimes my head spins looking at all my keybinds

Keybinds? Hunters can auto-shot you to death.

[sicness]

As it stands, the new venom's are opening up a lot of depth and choice while still keeping the feel very simple. 30% cast slow, 12% armor pen, and 20% healing debuff are all very welcome imho. while tying them all into chimaera shot for even more utility.

I thought they were adding these special debuff abilities to pets so a hunter could take a pet of whatever debuff isn't available to his group (i.e. armor pen debuff if no warrior). Is this not the case anymore?

[Mr. Casual]

Keybinds? Hunters can auto-shot you to death.

lol if ur naked and standing still maybe .....btw i like your sig/ quote thingy at the bottom

[Priceless08]

love how we are the basturd child, and yet i hold back on hunters i see every day with int gems, needing on every weapon possible and thinking the rhino pet is amazing

edith, and dont armory this hunter btw, the 8 to stats on chest, resil head enchant, 6 to all stats gem has made my day, and to think this person actually had credibility to judge, man, was i wrong

Oh do forgive me for not being able to able to afford the best gems or enchants right away, your cynical and analytical rhetorics about hunters makes me lawl.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 10:16 PM ----------

I thought they were adding these special debuff abilities to pets so a hunter could take a pet of whatever debuff isn't available to his group (i.e. armor pen debuff if no warrior). Is this not the case anymore?

I may be mistaken but I was pretty sure that hunter pets are giving buffs from what I read, but then again I may be mistaken.

[VanquishersFate82]

Im a hunta arhgarhar

[Priceless08]

Pets -- We haven't done our design pass on them yet. The design is for them to no longer receive raid buff since they get complete scaling from the master (and we don't want them to double dip). Their abilities will be divided into 3 categories: basic focus dumps (e.g. Claw), specials (e.g. web), and exotic abilities for the BM exotic pets. Specials never cost focus and basics have short cooldowns but meaningful damage. All pets will do the same dps. We don't want "wolf or die" in Cataclysm (and before that it was cat). Each pet family will bring a unique raid buff, allowing hunters to be wildcards for when you are lacking something. The ease of swapping pets will facilitate this further.

Here you go Sicness, this is what I found in a blue post. Oh and if you're interested in citation it's on the second page of mmo-champ. I made the part that pertained to your question bold and underlined, but left added the rest in case if you wanted to read it on your own accord.

[gulkeeva]

as a MM hunter, auto shot crits for like.. 5-6K, with people having 40-45Khp (Lv82) and firing at like 1 shot per 3 sec you won't be raping someone since like every class has some range attack, or a way to close the gap to you anyway :P

[Priceless08]

as a MM hunter, auto shot crits for like.. 5-6K, with people having 40-45Khp (Lv82) and firing at like 1 shot per 3 sec you won't be raping someone since like every class has some range attack, or a way to close the gap to you anyway :P

All the video's I have seen of Aimed shot, have been hitting for 20-40k.

[gulkeeva]

All the video's I have seen of Aimed shot, have been hitting for 20-40k.

was referring to when your out of focus , which will.. happen alot and very quickly for now ;/ (basically in 2 abilities)