Which one are you missing that was cool? The one thing I found was as I filled out a tree for say pure dps talents for say a raider, I had points left over that had no place to go that would straight up increase dps. Is this a good thing? Well.... can be if the extra points can go in a "cool" talent, but I was kinda meh about my options.
Also the first 2 tiers of frost really don't seem that attractive to raiding arcane or fire mages.
Which one are you missing that was cool? The one thing I found was as I filled out a tree for say pure dps talents for say a raider, I had points left over that had no place to go that would straight up increase dps. Is this a good thing? Well.... can be if the extra points can go in a "cool" talent, but I was kinda meh about my options.
Also the first 2 tiers of frost really don't seem that attractive to raiding arcane or fire mages.
Playing Whith Fire(Cata version), Firy Payback.Which one are you missing that was cool?
Now fire pvp will be even wrorse then it is wotlk now.
Last edited by Sunwrath; 2010-07-17 at 06:07 PM. Reason: Thnx Swizzle pointing that out.
I hear you get talents for "free" without talenting them. "All the cool things" aren't gone.
that's lol.
I personally am excited about the trees. I think they look fantastic and I like the level 10 abilities that go along with it. As for the water elemental, you get the 45 second version when you spend your first talent point into frost. The level 50 ability, is...well, not sure honestly. Pretty sure things just have to be worked out as people test some of this stuff on beta.
As far as sub-speccing goes, as arcane I would probably sub-spec into fire, As fire I would probably sub-spec into arcane, I am a little torn for frost though. There are a few talents in arcane that seem like they would be a must (like Netherwind Presence, Torment of the weak), but there seem to be a few in fire that would benefit frost as well. Due to the fact that you would be throwing frostfire bolt for frost later on.
Did anyone else notice the talent in frost called frostfire orb? AMAZING! IMO anyways.
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Mhh i wouldnt totaly agree with this. Arcane seems pretty good for PvP if the Dmg´s scaled high enough.
But iam Really worried about frost as no PoM, Imp.Cs, and the exclusion of FB/FFB from FoF really hurts a lot :/
And tbh theres no way Fire PvP will ever be worthfull
Tell me. If arcane mages are the top dps and your rotation is as complex as ever, will you give a shit if you have to take a few pvp/utility talents?
If you look at any spec this is how all the trees are. You will find after you have taken all the points you need you'll have some left over to just .. spend. Taking a few utility talents to get to the end will still give you all the talents you could get for pure dps anyway.
I see this in the druid, hunter and mage trees, which are the only ones I've really played with.
That means if taking a few utility talents makes you think it sucks for pve, well looks like all classes are gonna suck in the same way (by that definition) so mages can still be THE BOMB DIGGITY.
Horrible!!! Horrible!!!
I dont like the new talent tree at all. Chopping the talent trees is another dumb idea next to 10 and 25 man raids drop the same loot.
I thought they were going to make talent trees more fun but it is quite the opposite, BORING.
Lets talk about what happens if you want to play an arcane mage for example;
First of all reducing the number of talents gives talent points more value in Cata. it is like "2 WotLK talent points = 1 Cata talent point", so the new talent points are twice as valuable compare to WotLK ones (to the math geniuses out there, I know it is 1.85, I am trying to be practicle here). So keep this in mind as you read the rest of my argument.
Second, with the 41 point talent system, we have no flexibility at all. If I want to get to the bottom of the arcane tree, I need to spend (WASTE) at least 7 points (equivalent to 14 WotLK points) in useless pvp abilities, not to mention I cant have icy veins anymore since I am being forced to have 31 in arcane before spending any points anywhere else, it costs 22 WotLK points anyway, quite expensive. Since I cant get to any useful talent tier on frost or fire trees, guess what, I spent remaining 10 points in even more useless arcane talents talents. Introducing the new cookie cutter talent build 41/0/0 or maybe 32/6/3.
To me, with this new design, there is no reason to have talent trees. All we need to have is a window with 3 options; arcane, fire, frost, pick one and get it over with, you have no flexibility, no room to diversify or experiment with a few extra points or spend them on a fun ability.
In conclusion, please Blizzard just add a new talent with 5 points on it to our current trees or change the 5 points per tier rule to 4 pointe per tier so we can get to the bottom of the tree with 25 points and pick up some useful abilities from other trees.
Dont waste your time on dumbing this game down any further.
Horrible!!! Horrible!!!....
Last edited by selinek; 2010-07-14 at 06:52 PM.
Here's a nice pic of what the new talent UI looks like:
http://wowcataclysmnews.com/images/trees/mage.jpg
It looks like you get your level 10 special abilities not by putting a point into a tree, but by actually clicking either the 'arcane', 'fire', or 'frost' button. Though this amounts to the same thing in the end.
Have to agree with a little of the QQ about some of the choices, i mainly play 2 characters and with my mage i have to choose between useless talents like blazing speed, impact and molten shields just to find a way to get to the bottom of a tree.
On my rogue i WANT to put 41 points in the assassination tree because almost every talent in it are PVE gains. I had to decide between a bunch of useful talents on my rogue as opposed to trying to decide on what sucked less on my mage...LoL
Im sure a lot of things will change but right now mages have to IMO waste a lot of points in situational/PVP oriented stuff that most of us would not even touch for PVE if we had better choices.
http://www.wowtal.com/#k=tOuuDZKa.9mn.mage
IDK being able to pick up Blastwave and DB without getting shit on by your raid leader seems kinda nice.
Last edited by dieseledge; 2010-07-14 at 07:41 PM.
i...i don't want to believe that there are actually people on here who still can't read. out of all the trees shown (and they're calling the it the first pass), arcane is one of the trees that is far behind the others. so are your damn rogues
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