1. #3001
    Elemental Lord
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doylez View Post
    Warriors are probably in a much better position than Rets but you're still going to get owned by every single caster ^^
    Thats probably a given. But looking at, for example, an Arms warriors talent tree, there doesn't seem to be a lot missing - the need to stance dance has been removed with the Pummel change, self healing is passive and occurs at a reasonable rate. Theres no cleanse mechanic to deal with poisons or diseases but I find those are usually applied too quickly to worry about even as a Paladin. The Arm warriors has a new stun, a new escape tool/closing tool, great mobility...no long duration CC tool though.

    They aren't as much of a team player, true, but thew converse of that is everything they have is intended to make them a better fighter rather than make someone else a better fighter in their place.

    Yes, I realise the Arms warrior isn't perfect...but at the same time, it appears to be in a much better position that Ret.

    EJL
    Last edited by Talen; 2010-10-11 at 07:16 PM.

  2. #3002
    Hey quick question for paladins out there, do you guys think the following 2 talents fit a paladin as far as lore is concerned.

    Chains of Justice-(10-20 yd range)Lash out at your target with a holy flail, dealing 70% weapon damage & dazing the target for 1 seconds. Additionally the target cannot move faster than normal movement speed for 15 seconds. Critical Strikes from the chains double the durations of the daze rather than increasing the damage. (9% mana cost 12 sec cd)
    &
    Liberty & Justice for All-The paladin whirls a holy flail over his/her head breaking snares/roots from all friendlies & adding justice effect to all all enemies within a 10 yard radius limits movement speed to 100% for 15 seconds. Deals 70% weapon damage to enemies in 10 yard radius.

    They are both in my revamp of the paladin class that's in my http://www.war-tools.com/ct.html?l=70924 build, I really want to make sure they fit as far as lore goes before suggesting to blizz. Thanks for the feedback

  3. #3003
    There is going to be a massive outcry on the forums once the patch hits, no Paladin is going to enjoy being completely worthless in every aspect. I don't believe Ret has been in a worse state, in PvP or PvE in the entire history of WoW.

    Longest ramp-up and the most ramp-up mechanics of any class/spec.
    Lowest DPS of any class/spec, even below Tanks.
    Completely unplayable in PvP.
    Most complicated and RNG heavy rotation of any class/spec.
    Multiple cooldowns that either don't work, are not a DPS gain when used or are even a DPS loss when used.
    Lowest healing ability of any class/spec.

    Yea Blizz, you fucked up.

  4. #3004
    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddlesnarf View Post
    There is going to be a massive outcry on the forums once the patch hits, no Paladin is going to enjoy being completely worthless in every aspect. I don't believe Ret has been in a worse state, in PvP or PvE in the entire history of WoW.

    Longest ramp-up and the most ramp-up mechanics of any class/spec.
    Lowest DPS of any class/spec, even below Tanks.
    Completely unplayable in PvP.
    Most complicated and RNG heavy rotation of any class/spec.
    Multiple cooldowns that either don't work, are not a DPS gain when used or are even a DPS loss when used.
    Lowest healing ability of any class/spec.

    Yea Blizz, you fucked up.
    I do hope your points are being made around beta and or lvl 85 ret....and not PTR

  5. #3005
    Quote Originally Posted by BDF View Post
    I do hope your points are being made around beta and or lvl 85 ret....and not PTR
    The points he makes apply to the PTR as well. Inquisition and GotAK and a few more levels don't fix our glaring weaknesses in all aspects of the game.
    "Pulsars are the bulimic cosmic anomalies..."

  6. #3006
    FYI, it looks like glyph of Divine Storm converts into Glyph of Templar's Verdict tomorrow.

    See http://cata.wowhead.com/item=45743

    and the comments.

  7. #3007
    One of my pvp buddies sent me this and i found it rather apt, thought i would share it with you fine folk. Looks like we are back to square 1 again xD

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_3RFnHgEDo

    Enjoy
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  8. #3008
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    The new discussion thread can be found here; http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ribution-4.0.1




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