[SPOILER] Sylvanas future?

[Haven]

What about Hillsbrad? It's not like they're a bunch of Alliance that just randomly showed up, they've lived there since before the Scourge, yet Sylvanas doesn't have much problem forcing them off their land, and rounding them up to kill them all. She doesn't let them escape, she's really out to kill everyone one of them. It's just a way to justify her aims. :P

This is taken from the Silverpine quests, btw. The Hillsbrad humans fled to Fenris Isle Keep, and she sends you to personally kill and res them all.

They are a menace. They are a part of the hostile Alliance. If left unattended, they may become a base of Ally infiltration of the region, which is inadmissible. Like Nicolo Machiavelli said, "wars can't be avoided, they can only be postponed to someone else's advantage". It's not Theramore with mild Jaina to keep a tenuous peace (even though in Cata we see tanks advancing exactly from Theramore), it's an imp in the box. And btw who the hell came up with the bright idea to flee closer to Forsaken territory rather than south to Alliance-controlled Wetlands?.. Sheesh...

Edit: In addition, the Argent Crusade can't do anything without breaking their neutrality, however they're already directly in opposition to her goals without being hostile. They've reclaimed Hearthglen in WPL, and they're likely going to claim all of EPL, considering they outright claim Stratholme once you clean it out. Both are parts of Lordaeron, which Sylvanas insists belong to the Forsaken only.

We haven't yet seen a single hint of conflict between the Forsaken and Argent crusade. Maybe it's because Alliance is, and always has been, hostile to Forsaken, while Argent Crusade is not, and never has been? Tirion had no problem keeping to his business with Horde and Alliance decimating each other right under his nose before, why would he suddenly interfere now? Especially considering that Sylvanas, in a sense, shares Bolvar's duties, housing some of the remaining Scourge and putting them to a better use (serving the Horde against common enemies and procreating Forsaken). Mind control is a dirty trick, but slaughtering camp Taurajo's inhabitants (armed with axes and rifles at best) with fire from siege tanks is not an honorable deed as well. It's all relative.

[Wade Wilson]

Lord Godfrey for new leader of the Forsaken

i could see koltira as a new leader of the forsaken but never godfrey

[Lord Cenarius]

- Give me one reason for Sylvanas to hate the alliance. She was alliance up until the point she died, got ressed by Arthas and wen she broke free from hes will she ran around killing humans for no reason at all. Sylvanas is cold blooded.

Maybe she hates the Alliance because they left the rest of her brethren to die?
She may have been dead at the time but she still cares for her people.

- Sylvanas eat children.

Is there a problem with this?

- Sylvanas is only popular because she is a character from Warcraft 3. As soon as Blizzard tries to create a character in WoW people start to whine about them being poorly written. Garrosh is
a really good written character, .

This is a summary of Garrosh's history.
-Born at some unknown time.

-Apparently had some sort of disease and was put in a village.

-Becomes chieftain of Garadar.

-Suddenly from realizing his father was awesome decides to hate Alliance for no reason

-Goes to Northrend

-Becomes Warchief of the Horde.

Nowhere in that is anything interesting or well written.

[Kelger]

They are a menace. They are a part of the hostile Alliance. If left unattended, they may become a base of Ally infiltration of the region, which is inadmissible. Like Nicolo Machiavelli said, "wars can't be avoided, they can only be postponed to someone else's advantage". It's not Theramore with mild Jaina to keep a tenuous peace (even though in Cata we see tanks advancing exactly from Theramore), it's an imp in the box. And btw who the hell came up with the bright idea to flee closer to Forsaken territory rather than south to Alliance-controlled Wetlands?.. Sheesh...

We haven't yet seen a single hint of conflict between the Forsaken and Argent crusade. Maybe it's because Alliance is, and always has been, hostile to Forsaken, while Argent Crusade is not, and never has been? Tirion had no problem keeping to his business with Horde and Alliance decimating each other right under his nose before, why would he suddenly interfere now? Especially considering that Sylvanas, in a sense, shares Bolvar's duties, housing some of the remaining Scourge and putting them to a better use (serving the Horde against common enemies and procreating Forsaken). Mind control is a dirty trick, but slaughtering camp Taurajo's inhabitants (armed with axes and rifles at best) with fire from siege tanks is not an honorable deed as well. It's all relative.

Because Tarren Mill can easily block the path into Arathi. There's also a small Forsaken outpost right next to the wall into Arathi, and they apparently don't have the boats, or perhaps didn't have the time to flee, especially if it was a plague sneak attack in the middle of the night. The safest evacuation path close to friendly forces is up through Hillsbrad into Alterac because of the Dalaran Remnants, and the Keep there is the safest defensible spot that's available and in decent enough repair. We have no idea what state the old Dwarven base is there, or if they would have been able to make it there, as that involves crossing some gnoll territory if they don't take the road, or risk running into the Forsaken if they've blocked off the retreat to Alliance lands.

I can't be 100% sure, but I've heard from people that did the quests the AC representative at the Bulwark states his distaste with the Forsaken's actions. Their actions have not gone unnoticed, or approved, in that case.

[Haven]

Because Tarren Mill can easily block the path into Arathi. There's also a small Forsaken outpost right next to the wall into Arathi, and they apparently don't have the boats, or perhaps didn't have the time to flee, especially if it was a plague sneak attack in the middle of the night. The safest evacuation path close to friendly forces is up through Hillsbrad into Alterac because of the Dalaran Remnants, and the Keep there is the safest defensible spot that's available and in decent enough repair. We have no idea what state the old Dwarven base is there, or if they would have been able to make it there, as that involves crossing some gnoll territory if they don't take the road, or risk running into the Forsaken if they've blocked off the retreat to Alliance lands.

Southshore is a port... It's strange that they didn't have any boats. Also, 7th legion made their way into Gilneas (to be dispatched by Godfrey as far as I know), but apparently couldn't lend a hand to Hillsbrad which isn't too far away by sea. Gnolls? Yeah, better sit and wait for a full-scale assault or run straight in the direction of Undercity than handle the gnolls. Not that there are armed dwarves that could escort them or mighty Alliance that could protect its citizens. Or Dalaran remnants who could help them in anything. It just looks like these people are:
1) exceptionally stupid
2) forsaken (ironically) by Alliance

I can't be 100% sure, but I've heard from people that did the quests the AC representative at the Bulwark states his distaste with the Forsaken's actions. Their actions have not gone unnoticed, or approved, in that case.

Unconfirmed distaste of a crusader is really a very big deal. /sarcasm

[Seekzor]

Southshore is a port... It's strange that they didn't have any boats. Also, 7th legion made their way into Gilneas (to be dispatched by Godfrey as far as I know), but apparently couldn't lend a hand to Hillsbrad which isn't too far away by sea. Gnolls? Yeah, better sit and wait for a full-scale assault or run straight in the direction of Undercity than handle the gnolls. Not that there are armed dwarves that could escort them or mighty Alliance that could protect its citizens. Or Dalaran remnants who could help them in anything. It just looks like these people are:
1) exceptionally stupid
2) forsaken (ironically) by Alliance

Unconfirmed distaste of a crusader is really a very big deal. /sarcasm

You know they maybe didn't wanna flee south , because they didn't wanna abondon their homes their families have been living in through generations?
Instead of staying in a very hard defended city they barricade themselves in a fortress which seems like a strategic choice. Also I think the 7th legion wasn't in lordaeron at the time of the destroyal of Southsore, they arrived shortly after.

It's just logic, of course Argent Crusade doesn't agree with what the Forsaken is doing. They were fine with them as long as they fought the Lich king, but now when they also raise dead they are an enemy of the Argent Crusade.
Raising undeads was the Argent Crusade's problem with the Lich king since undeads are unnatural in their way of thinking (even the undead members of Argent Crusade thinks so but they want to do something good of it) therefor they do not approve the forsaken raising new ones.

[Reavijinoo]

I read the current page to see the direction the topic has taken. I feel no need to read all 12 pages. If its 3 or less, I read the whole thing

Yea well read the whole thing and you can see that quite a few people go posting-and their inquiry has been answered or their idea has been dismissed.
A good example is the troll called elrenno - the guy asked a question several times and many many times people answered properly but he didnt read

Also, you seem to be able to gain a good understanding of the thread, so this does not apply to you

please don't start looking for a fight, because I am not, and do not want to fight anyone

[Haven]

You know they maybe didn't wanna flee south , because they didn't wanna abondon their homes their families have been living in through generations?

So certain death is a better option, and Fenris Keep is their home? Not even mentioning that it needed cleaning up from its previous inhabitants.

Instead of staying in a very hard defended city they barricade themselves in a fortress which seems like a strategic choice.

Cutting themselves off any ways of retreat from a war machine of Forsaken is not a strategically wise choice. Which was proved by further events - they got killed. Again.

It's just logic, of course Argent Crusade doesn't agree with what the Forsaken is doing. They were fine with them as long as they fought the Lich king, but now when they also raise dead they are an enemy of the Argent Crusade.
Raising undeads was the Argent Crusade's problem with the Lich king since undeads are unnatural in their way of thinking (even the undead members of Argent Crusade thinks so but they want to do something good of it) therefor they do not approve the forsaken raising new ones.

So?.. Argent Crusade, as far as I know, is still green to the Forsaken.

Don't forget about the needs of playerbase, story development, and game mechanics. All these factors need to be held in account when you speculate about what's to come. A character like Sylvanas is needed for WoW, because she is an idol of Forsaken and really represents their nation the best way. No other kind of character/person will fit in better; even if she reaches her final death, the new ruler is very likely to be essentially the same (and cause the same amount of butthurt in self-righteous ones).

Second, how do you imagine a conflict between a part of playable faction and a neutral faction, considering that some, if not most, players have exalted status with Argent Crusade? This is far too difficult to set up and realize, and what will be the result of such possible conflict, considering there must always be a Li... a Sylvanas-like Forsaken leader, and there must always be Argent Crusade in one form or another? It will most likely end in nothing. The positions of possible conflicting sides are too strong story-wise.

That said, the details of Forsaken-Argent relationships might be interesting in case Blizzard puts effort into fleshing this aspect out.

[Glwys]

The Horde is losing all its leaders! Whats going on?

Can't we just kill off the blood elf leader instead? I mean, its not like anyone even knows he exists.

I thought we already did? You know, the whole "it was merely a setback thing..."