Mankrik part of the burning blade!?

[Surfd]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Humans#At_the_dawn
- Confirms what we already know: Humans are decended from Vyrkul. Makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of where Iron Vyrkul fit into the picture.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Gnomes#History Third Paragraph
- Ok, so that, at least, is confirmation for the gnomes being results of the Curse of Flesh.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Dwarf#Origin_and_evolution For good measure
- Not sure why you linked this, as I never disputed Earthen -> Dwarf evolution

http://www.wowwiki.com/Curse_of_Flesh#Afflicted_races And a little more for good reading.
- Except that, for the Vyrkul entry, nothing that could be considered "proof" or "source" material for the idea that Vurkul come from Cursed Iron Vyrkul is given. Heck, the entry even states that the Iron races (vyrkul / giant / dwarf) appear to have been created entirely seperately from the other titan creations.

[Deleted]

Aren't iron vrykul made in halls of stone or something?, im fairly sure bran bronzebeard mentions making an army of them

[Deleted]

http://www.wowwiki.com/Humans#At_the_dawn
- Confirms what we already know: Humans are decended from Vyrkul. Makes ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of where Iron Vyrkul fit into the picture.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Gnomes#History Third Paragraph
- Ok, so that, at least, is confirmation for the gnomes being results of the Curse of Flesh.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Dwarf#Origin_and_evolution For good measure
- Not sure why you linked this, as I never disputed Earthen -> Dwarf evolution

http://www.wowwiki.com/Curse_of_Flesh#Afflicted_races And a little more for good reading.
- Except that, for the Vyrkul entry, nothing that could be considered "proof" or "source" material for the idea that Vurkul come from Cursed Iron Vyrkul is given. Heck, the entry even states that the Iron races (vyrkul / giant / dwarf) appear to have been created entirely seperately from the other titan creations.

Vrykul have been effected by the curse of flesh, i will end this thread whit that

[Surfd]

Vrykul have been effected by the curse of flesh, i will end this thread whit that

I have no proof, therefore I am correct.

Nice way to end a discussion mate.

[Deleted]

I have no proof, therefore I am correct.

Nice way to end a discussion mate.

There are some Alliance quests that talk about that from what I remember. Probably the Iron Vrykul are a new race, I would think the original version was more like the Earthen.

[Vilvadia]

I have no proof, therefore I am correct.

Nice way to end a discussion mate.

Earthy dwarves + Curse of Flesh = dwarves

Earthy vrykul + Curse of Flesh = ?????

I mean, it's not a hard conclusion. Besides Ymiron talks about being a creation of the titans in the alliance quest with the spirit incense, and titans didn't make fleshy beings.

[Surfd]

Earthy dwarves + Curse of Flesh = dwarves

Earthy vrykul + Curse of Flesh = ?????

I mean, it's not a hard conclusion. Besides Ymiron talks about being a creation of the titans in the alliance quest with the spirit incense, and titans didn't make fleshy beings.

Really? I believe the Lorekeeper of Norganon would disagree with you there. It is specificly mentioned that the earthen were a modified version of the standard subterranian being matrix used by the titans when synthesizing lifeforms for planet seeding. It is also specificly mentioned that the standard synthesis matrix is usually a "biomass" matrix. Now, I am not sure what classifies as "biomass" to titans, but I am fairly certain that "flesh" would fall under that category.

Just because the Earthen were created the way they were, does NOT mean that every other seed race planted on Azeroth by the titans was as well.

Also, it is entirely possible that the "curse of flesh", which is only called that cause it happened to turn Earthen / Mechanognomes into fleshlings, might affect flesh based beings by makeing them "weaker". It turns Earthen / Mechanognomes into fleshlings to make them easier for old gods to assimilate, so why not turn Fleshy Vyrkul who are modeled off of Conan the Barbarian into Fleshy Vyrkul who are comparative 98 pound weaklings?

[Vilvadia]

Really? I believe the Lorekeeper of Norganon would disagree with you there. It is specificly mentioned that the earthen were a modified version of the standard subterranian being matrix used by the titans when synthesizing lifeforms for planet seeding. It is also specificly mentioned that the standard synthesis matrix is usually a "biomass" matrix. Now, I am not sure what classifies as "biomass" to titans, but I am fairly certain that "flesh" would fall under that category.

Just because the Earthen were created the way they were, does NOT mean that every other seed race planted on Azeroth by the titans was as well.

Also, it is entirely possible that the "curse of flesh", which is only called that cause it happened to turn Earthen / Mechanognomes into fleshlings, might affect flesh based beings by makeing them "weaker". It turns Earthen / Mechanognomes into fleshlings to make them easier for old gods to assimilate, so why not turn Fleshy Vyrkul who are modeled off of Conan the Barbarian into Fleshy Vyrkul who are comparative 98 pound weaklings?

The standard model is the stone dwarves. Biomass is whatever they are made of. There is no evidence of titans making fleshy humanoids. There is evidence of the curse of flesh making fleshy humanoids. Why would they call it the Curse of Flesh, if they think flesh is an acceptable building tool to begin with?

[Solutha]

I thought this thread was about Mankrik?
/shrug

[TheDangerZone]

I thought this thread was about Mankrik?
/shrug

It was, not anymore, but it was.

[mbsaan]

i dont think the old god would get the naaru to free someone as lowly as a gnome

but he is no mere gnome he is MILLHOUSE MANASTORM MASTER MAGE

[Haven]

The Naaru are pawns of the Old Gods.





No, scratch that. The Naaru are totally in CAHOOTS with the Old Gods. The Titans pose as big of a threat to them as they do to Yoggy and C'thunny.

/head asplodes

[Chronoless]

I think blizzard should make him the next chuck norris lol (j/k) im glad he is taking action, after doing his quest so much on my horde toons I'm glad he is stepping up,

[cannibalghoul]

the burning blade is the clan of blademasters. it's not the same as the burning blade cult that worship the burning legion

[bahumut5]

Thread derailed.