1. #1

    852 haste not giving extra immo tick

    I recently got >852 haste in pvp gear.However it seems that i don't gain an extra immo tick.I conflag a dummy and see the same conflag damage with 897 haste(new belt) and 797 haste(old belt).Passing the 852 mark doesn't give me dat extra tick.

    Bug?

  2. #2
    I think the guides that give haste values for new ticks all assume 5% Haste buff.

  3. #3
    you sure?if that's true,how much haste you need for the extra immotick without the 5%haste buff?

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  5. #5
    5% Haste = 164 Haste Rating I believe

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Eis View Post
    I'd assume you need 5% more.
    lol logic win

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    For the 7th tick without raid buffs you are gonna need:

    6,5/5 = 1,30 = 30% Haste..

    30*32,79 = 983,7 = 984 Haste rating..

    984 - 852 = 132 extra haste rating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetrue View Post
    For the 7th tick without raid buffs you are gonna need:

    6,5/5 = 1,30 = 30% Haste..

    30*32,79 = 983,7 = 984 Haste rating..

    984 - 852 = 132 extra haste rating
    That 984 number to get 2 extra ticks is not what is mentioned in the "4.01 Haste info" thread on the first page. Could be that i misunderstood the first post in that thread, but i was testing haste and immo ticks earlier today and i think i saw 2 extra ticks while i had around 875 haste. I will check to see how much haste i really got and make sure that i do indeed get the 2 extra ticks. One weird thing i noticed was that recount didn't pick up on 1 tick. When i counted them manually i really did see 7 ticks (tested it on lvl60 dummy).
    Last edited by Fireworx; 2010-10-31 at 01:06 AM. Reason: Adjuested title for the other haste info thread

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    He is correct, the 4.0.1 raiding guide is a raiding guide- the 5% spell haste buff is assumed to be there. For anyone who doesn't have the 5% haste buff the math above (By Joetrue) is correct.

  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Eis View Post
    I'd assume you need 5% more.
    Haste doesn't stack additively. "5% more" means exactly nothing for recalculation.

  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by Weerra View Post
    Haste doesn't stack additively. "5% more" means exactly nothing for recalculation.
    Its bin proven on EJ, that as of patch 4.0.1 it does indeed stack additively..

    The current formula in 4.0.1 with raidbuffs and no BL/SF:

    Formula: ((1+Haste rating / 3279) * 1,05) = Haste in %

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetrue View Post
    Its bin proven on EJ, that as of patch 4.0.1 it does indeed stack additively..

    The current formula in 4.0.1 with raidbuffs and no BL/SF:

    Formula: ((1+Haste rating / 3279) * 1,05) = Haste in %
    How exactly is that formula additively? Haste buffs don't stack additively, and that's why the formula isn't additively.
    Last edited by Kaesebrezen; 2010-10-31 at 06:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaesebrezen View Post
    How exactly is that formula additively? Haste buffs don't stack additively.
    Misunderstood you since english isnt my first launguage :/

    But the forumla is indeed correct, and yours is aswell.

    Your formula: 1415/32,79 = 43,1534 which is indeed my haste

    My (EJ) formula is for calculating raid haste:

    ((1+1415/3279) = 1,4315 = 43,15 % increase

    Now i add the haste buff from shaman/priest
    ((1+1415/3279)*1,05 = 1,5031 = 50,31 % increase

    Now try and add the raid buff for your haste formula?

  14. #14
    Haste no Buff
    Haste % = Haste Points / 3279
    Ticks = DoT Duration / Tick Rate / ( 1 + Haste % )
    Ticks - Calc - GCD - Value - Haste - Pts.
    6 - 5.51 - 1.36 - 10.25% - Base - 336
    7 - 6.50 - 1.15 - 30.07% - Base - 986
    8 - 7.50 - 1.00 - 50.02% - Base - 1,640

    Haste with Buff
    Haste % = Haste Points / 3279
    Ticks = DoT Duration / Tick Rate / 1.05 / ( 1 + Haste % )
    Ticks - Calc - GCD - Value - Haste - Pts.
    6 - 5.50 - 1.36 - 10.09% - Base+5% - 159
    7 - 6.50 - 1.15 - 30.01% - Base+5% - 781
    8 - 7.50 - 1.00 - 50.02% - Base+5% - 1,406
    Last edited by Colraw; 2010-10-31 at 09:45 PM.

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    i got 6 ticks with 691 haste, i cast SF for 15% haste and i get 7th tick.

    I assume that at 1407 you get 8th tick and maybe then with ISF [maybe i dunno] you may get 9th

    ---------- Post added 2010-11-01 at 09:48 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Colraw View Post
    Haste no Buff
    Haste % = Haste Points / 3279
    Ticks = DoT Duration / Tick Rate / ( 1 + Haste % )
    Ticks - Calc - GCD - Value - Haste - Pts.
    6 - 5.51 - 1.36 - 10.25% - Base - 336
    7 - 6.50 - 1.15 - 30.07% - Base - 986
    8 - 7.50 - 1.00 - 50.02% - Base - 1,640

    Haste with Buff
    Haste % = Haste Points / 3279
    Ticks = DoT Duration / Tick Rate / 1.05 / ( 1 + Haste % )
    Ticks - Calc - GCD - Value - Haste - Pts.
    6 - 5.50 - 1.36 - 10.09% - Base+5% - 159
    7 - 6.50 - 1.15 - 30.01% - Base+5% - 781
    8 - 7.50 - 1.00 - 50.02% - Base+5% - 1,406
    Is this WITHOUT 15% haste from ISF ? because if yes then he could have even less haste rating with 15% from isf and 5% buff if thatw as the case
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    Its without ISF, BL and Power infusion or other simillar buffs..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joetrue View Post
    Its without ISF, BL and Power infusion or other simillar buffs..
    Yeah, that is where i went wrong too with my 7 ticks and 875ish haste. I propably had ISF up or something and wasn't paying attention. But it's all cleared up now so thanks

    But this brings me to maybe an off-topic question. Why doesn't your haste improve with 15% in the character window when ISF is up ? Since it didn't change i was almost thinking it was a cast reduction ala Backdraft. Has anyone else noticed this ?
    Last edited by Fireworx; 2010-11-01 at 05:24 PM. Reason: Added last question

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireworx View Post
    Yeah, that is where i went wrong too with my 7 ticks and 875ish haste. I propably had ISF up or something and wasn't paying attention. But it's all cleared up now so thanks

    But this brings me to maybe an off-topic question. Why doesn't your haste improve with 15% in the character window when ISF is up ? Since it didn't change i was almost thinking it was a cast reduction ala Backdraft. Has anyone else noticed this ?
    Because it doesn't stack additively. You chractersheet doesn't show you how much haste% you have, it shows you how much haste% your haste rating converts into.

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