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    Clarification on Soulstone Battle Res.

    Mandatory Raid Buffs and Debuffs.

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Yes. Nothing should improve those buffs / debuffs except for gaining levels.

    Also, we added the 4% physical vulnerability debuff (like Blood Frenzy) to Frost DKs.

    We are strongly considering having Kings and Mark provide some small amount of resistance so there isn't such a delta between having resistance buffs or not.

    We are also considering (though it's less solid) making Soulstones work more like Rebirth -- you could essentially stone someone after they died and let them rez themselves -- in addition to the way they work currently. That way there would be two classes with battle rez, and we could go with the model of one per fight (maybe more in 25) rather than a long duration.
    An interesting possibility, and a further attempt to remove the use of a single class for a single buff like Shamans with Heroism, hence the mage additon.
    While not solid yet, so something we may not get but does have good potential.

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    I really hope they do this. I don't feel like my warlock contributes much to a boss encounter other than average dps (in the middle of the pures) and Curse of Elements. (Gimmicks aside)

    This change would make me feel a lot more important to the success/fail of the run.

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    It would be good to have another class that can battle res. Currently I feel forced into having at least one non-tank druid.

    And don't say its because my team sucks. Its because my team's internet connections suck .

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    Even as a resto/tank druid, I think this would be pretty cool. I don't mind at all!

    More utility the better, tbh. Cata: the expansion of specialists, mana, utility. Hybrid dominance being nerfed
    Last edited by squeeze; 2010-07-28 at 03:12 PM.

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    Would give warlocks a reason to actually watch their raid frames.
    Plus with its primary limitation being on a per fight basis instead of the cooldown, then it could see far more frequent use on trash where it would not otherwise.
    So helping to keep things moving faster.

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    I think this is cool!

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    Much as my Dr00ds would dislike losing their battle rez speciality, my locks would be happy for the benefit. Soulstones were always so annoyingly hit-or-miss (except on Mt.Hyjal boss 3 with the Doom... we made all our doomed players run right past the locks, that was fun).

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    it even perfectly fits the lore you mean:
    as long as they dont release their soul the soul is still in the dead body.
    the soulstone allows the soul to take control of the body once again and therefore stand up and fight on.
    overall i think this is a great addition, it would be good to have something like a limitation on each side on the number of people resurrected via soulstone or druid battlerez.
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    As you can only use 3 shards per fight, wont guild leaders be telling all warlocks to 'save' there shards for battle res.

    And in the end that's all they will be used for..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xzilend View Post
    The problem with soulstone (currently) is the need to anticipate who is likely to die (if you don't just use it for wipe recover). Sure, there are times when one can soulstone someone during the fight when they are in danger of dieing, but generally speaking it is solely used for wipe recovery right now.

    I like the idea of it becoming a new battle rez, I just hope it is tied into lore a bit better. For example, you wouldn't be storing their soul in the stone, you would be transferring some of yours to them (Just an example).
    Or the soulstone is more like a net that caught said soul. The former sounds more like warlock selflessness and as a class that just doesn't fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xzilend View Post
    The problem with soulstone (currently) is the need to anticipate who is likely to die (if you don't just use it for wipe recover). Sure, there are times when one can soulstone someone during the fight when they are in danger of dieing, but generally speaking it is solely used for wipe recovery right now.

    I like the idea of it becoming a new battle rez, I just hope it is tied into lore a bit better. For example, you wouldn't be storing their soul in the stone, you would be transferring some of yours to them (Just an example).
    Or the soulstone is more like a net that caught said soul. The former sounds more like warlock selflessness and as a class that just doesn't fit.

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    As My main is a druid and one of my main alts a warlock. i like this idea. Wondering on the one per fight though, so will they only allow one BR a fight or will each class only get one or will each person be allowed one per fight.

    The idea of more then one class providing a certain type of buff would mean that if they give this ability to Warlocks, WHO will get a reincarnate other then the shamans I am betting they will give it to either Priest or dks.(would have said paladins but with the major overhaul paladins are getting i doubt they would get it)

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    The problem with soulstone (currently) is the need to anticipate who is likely to die (if you don't just use it for wipe recover). Sure, there are times when one can soulstone someone during the fight when they are in danger of dieing, but generally speaking it is solely used for wipe recovery right now.

    I like the idea of it becoming a new battle rez, I just hope it is tied into lore a bit better. For example, you wouldn't be storing their soul in the stone, you would be transferring some of yours to them (Just an example).

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    I have a warlock *and* druid "main" (yes, I'm aware that some of your definitions of 'main' would not allow for two) and my guild is currently filled to the brim with both (end up with 3 warlocks 3 druids for our ten manraids sometimes) so ....yeah that being said, i feel that SS is a much weaker utility than Brez, and I've never really liked the mechanic.


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    I will just miss the ability to SS ourselves hope they keep that mechanic some how

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    Quote Originally Posted by jobdone View Post
    As you can only use 3 shards per fight, wont guild leaders be telling all warlocks to 'save' there shards for battle res.

    And in the end that's all they will be used for..
    ^ Seems like we will need to use the shards for BREZ so we can't use our super cool new empowered moves D:

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    They should function like this:
    If you have a soulstone in your inventory when you die, you can use it on yourself.
    If use a soulstone on a corpse, you can rez them.

    The problem they're probably having is "should we give a non-healer a ressurection ability?" It's not so much the fact that we can have it or not (cough engineering) but rather the fact that they are crossing a line. Once you cross it, you could have just cause to cross it again. They have to stop somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gherkin View Post
    They should function like this:
    If you have a soulstone in your inventory when you die, you can use it on yourself.
    If use a soulstone on a corpse, you can rez them.

    The problem they're probably having is "should we give a non-healer a ressurection ability?" It's not so much the fact that we can have it or not (cough engineering) but rather the fact that they are crossing a line. Once you cross it, you could have just cause to cross it again. They have to stop somewhere.
    Good point, I didn't think of that. Though with all the class and role spec homogenization going on in WotLK and now Cata, I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't even cross their minds. That said, this would be not just a class homogenization but a cross-role one - maybe the first one ever!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gherkin View Post
    They should function like this:
    If you have a soulstone in your inventory when you die, you can use it on yourself.
    If use a soulstone on a corpse, you can rez them.

    The problem they're probably having is "should we give a non-healer a ressurection ability?" It's not so much the fact that we can have it or not (cough engineering) but rather the fact that they are crossing a line. Once you cross it, you could have just cause to cross it again. They have to stop somewhere.
    I doubt that it matters, none of the dps hybrids are really healers and they can rez. I think the real dilemma is whether Warlocks already have too much "stacking" utility. If every class is pumping out the same DPS and all buffs are equal, then the combo of Dark Intent, Soul Stone, and replenishment would make Destro Warlocks much more valuable than anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nazrakin View Post
    I doubt that it matters, none of the dps hybrids are really healers and they can rez.
    Wah?! Priests (with two healing specs) and shamans (one of the non-dps hybrids, resto druid, was not even brought to the Paragon HLK25 kill but their shaman was key) cannot heal?...I think gherkin's point is very valid. If Blizzard do this, they have definitely crossed a significant role line - sure it may be quietly via a non-healing critical spell, but it would be out there for sure.

    That said, pures would still remain pures as defined by GC's Hybrid Tax post so I guess to them it may be a less significant change.
    Last edited by squeeze; 2010-07-28 at 08:38 PM.

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