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    Base mana (level 85)

    What will base mana be for the different classes in level 85?

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    I'd like to know this too. I saw an SS of a stream the other day with a Paladin with 98k hp (too high for a DPS or healer) and 24k mana (too low for Holy).
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    And before anyone answers this question, make sure you know what "Base Mana" means. It's the amount of mana you'd have if you had 0 talent points, no gear, and 0 int. Every level, you gain mana, hp, and a few points in each stat (str, agi, int, etc). So base mana is all the mana gained from leveling (if you ignore all of the int that was gained alongside it).

    If you aren't sure how to calculate Base Mana, but you do have a level 85 toon on the PTR, tell me how much mana you have with 0 gear (and 0 mana or int-increasing talent points) and the total amount of int that you have. I can calculate it from there. Also, tell me the mana cost of one or two of your spells (without talents that reduce mana cost) so I can confirm my calculation of your base mana.
    Last edited by Dendrek; 2010-09-18 at 05:03 PM.

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    Full int gemed on my disc priest i have 50k at 83.

    soooooo if that puts it into perspective.... i would guess 60-90k first raid teir of gear.

    NOT fully int gemmed i would guess like 10k less

    ---------- Post added 2010-09-18 at 04:58 PM ----------

    then again paladins where at around 50k in t10

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    "Full int gemed" has nothing to do with "base" mana. In fact, that's the exact opposite of what I'm asking for. I want to know mana (at 85) with ZERO int. That means 0, none, zip, zilch, NO int. Also, I'm asking for level 85 values. :X

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    Well sorry i was trying to help?

    and i have no idea what your "base mana" will be. and i dont know any person ever that walks around with 0 int.

    ever

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    You're still missing the point, but thanks for trying.

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    They mean no gear on, no buffs, no talents.
    So basically you only have the mana you get from base intelect, which you get from leveling up, and mana which you get from leveling.
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    I can see who votes against that, and I can ban. Just saying.

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    If you have a level 85 toon (that uses mana) on the PTR:
    Please post on this thread with a few simple bits of information about your toon.

    Please do the following before you post:
    - Remove all talent points.
    - Remove all buffs.


    I'd like to know...
    1. Your class.
    2. Your level. (Ideally, your answer will be 85.)
    3. The exact amount of mana you have.
    4. The exact amount of int you have.
    5. The mana cost of 1 or 2 of your spells.

    I got the values for that example from a post on the WoW forums. I'm not certain of their accuracy.
    1. Class = Priest
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 25042
    4. Int = 221
    5. Renew = [insert spell cost], SW:P = [insert spell cost]
    Last edited by Dendrek; 2010-09-21 at 06:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Checksmix View Post
    Well sorry i was trying to help?

    and i have no idea what your "base mana" will be. and i dont know any person ever that walks around with 0 int.

    ever
    Prot or ret pallie does all the time.

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    The premade characters at 85 have roughly 70-75k hp unbuffed as a dps/healer, the tanks are roughly 90-95k. Again these are premade characters using roughly deepholm level greens. I'll have to check when i get the chance for base mana. My premade shaman has 73k hp and 72k mana, so in 85 dungeon / heroic gear i'd be willing to bet hp/mana pools are going to be about 100-120k. Also, each level from 80-85 has ridiculous stat scaling, I'm talking 2-4k base hp and 1-3k base mana per level depending on your class.

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    Dendrek, I advise you DO ask them to remove talent points, at least with Priests, as Disc gets a 15% intellect base mastery. Also, be sure not to test it on a Gnome, they have an int racial (5% I think?).
    Last edited by Etalia; 2010-09-21 at 06:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigosbro View Post
    The premade characters at 85 have roughly 70-75k hp unbuffed as a dps/healer, the tanks are roughly 90-95k. Again these are premade characters using roughly deepholm level greens. I'll have to check when i get the chance for base mana. My premade shaman has 73k hp and 72k mana, so in 85 dungeon / heroic gear i'd be willing to bet hp/mana pools are going to be about 100-120k. Also, each level from 80-85 has ridiculous stat scaling, I'm talking 2-4k base hp and 1-3k base mana per level depending on your class.
    Understandable. When you do check, realize that the information I'm after is not the MAX, but actually the MIN. You can tell me the max if you like, just be sure to include how much int you have so I can reverse calculate it. I don't have the PTR or else I'd do this myself.

    And in case you're wondering why I'd care, it's because spell costs are calculated as "xx% of base mana," so it's useful to know what these values actually are. It's unfortunate that Blizzard does not base spell costs on a stat that players can actually understand. (Most players have no clue what "base mana" is, and of those that do, most don't know how it's calculated.)

    [Edit] Good point, Etalia.
    Last edited by Dendrek; 2010-09-21 at 06:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synthaxx View Post
    I'd like to know this too. I saw an SS of a stream the other day with a Paladin with 98k hp (too high for a DPS or healer) and 24k mana (too low for Holy).
    98K, seems insane...

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    Classes tested are completely naked, and untalented:

    1. Class = Priest (Human)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 23295
    4. Int = 199
    5. Heal = 1853 mana, Renew = 4323 mana , SW:P = 4529 mana
    1. Class = Druid (Troll)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 20635
    4. Int = 152
    5. Nourish = 1863 mana, Rejuv = 4658 mana, Wrath = 2608 mana
    1. Class = Mage (Human)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 20243
    4. Int = 207
    5. Fireball = 2786 mana, Arcane Blast = 1219 mana, Frostbolt = 2264 mana
    1. Class = Paladin (Human)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 24732
    4. Int = 106
    5. Holy Light = 2107 mana, Exorcism = 7026 mana, Judgement = 1171 mana
    1. Class = Shaman (Draenei)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 25235
    4. Int = 139
    5. Healing Wave = 2108 mana, Lightning Bolt = 1405 mana, Unleash Elements = 1640 mana
    1. Class = Warlock (Goblin)
    2. Level = 85
    3. Mana = 22913
    4. Int = 176
    5. Shadow Bolt = 2055 mana, Corruption = 1233 mana, Drain Life = 2466 mana
    Last edited by Etalia; 2010-09-21 at 08:25 AM.

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    Next he'll want screenshots just to 'check' on your Naked and 'Untalented' Priest.

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    Next he'll want screenshots just to 'check' on your Naked and 'Untalented' Priest.
    It better be female then
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    Yelling at the leaky gas tank is much less effective than patching it up.

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    I really appreciate this, Etalia. I have the base mana for the classes listed so far:

    Priest = 20590
    Druid = 18635
    Mage = 17418
    Paladin = 23422
    Shaman = 23430
    Warlock = 20553

    I'll edit this post as you provide more information.
    Last edited by Dendrek; 2010-09-21 at 10:51 AM.

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