Well, the timeline is actually okay - first Gilneas has problems with wild worgen, then Cataclysm happens, Greymane Wall is broken, meanwhile Thrall leaves to fix the world, leaving Garrosh in charge - Garrosh decides that Forsaken should capture some land in his name, they invade Gilneas, Gilneans welcome Night elves and turn the worgen curse into advantage against Forsaken.Isn't there some dispute concerning this now?
In a thread here, supposedly the Forsaken attack just as the Cataclysm comes about, before Garrosh became the warchief. Then Garrosh sanctions the attack.
I personally believe that Garrosh ordered them and that Blizz just made a small lorelol (nowhere near BC level).
We never know what it was about. He might have referred to a leak of Varimathras' machinations.Bah, there's another quest then where the person is silenced. Mayhaps in Stonard or thousand needles.
A race of undead known for druidism would be exotic, and I guess making less sense than a race of undead practicing Shadow. Undeath by itself is a thing of Shadow and dark magic.I'm really not advocating that they wield it. Rather, I'm pointing out that the morality of the Forsaken took a 180 degree turn, which was a piss-poor job at the story by Blizzard.
A little tricky one (because I thought it was kinda obvious) http://www.wowwiki.com/Dark_ranger - former rangers lost all connection to the wild and had to fill the void with dark arts.Please provide proof that Forsaken cannot wield Nature magic or commune with the Spirits.
The Twilight Hammer Cult would like to have a word with you.
(They employ countless Undead that make use of both schools of magic).
The funniest part is that these three statements kinda characterize the Forsaken as whole in the first place They went a very different path than any other group that was in the same situation.A. They are not satisfied with themselves and hold themselves in great contempt.
B. They suffer for their raison d'etre.
C. They do not conform to the masses in their similar situation but rather follow their own path (albeit their path is a skewed version of what they formerly believed).
Not saying that these fellows are beacons of the Uber Mensch, just very much more so than the throng of Forsaken, the masses.
What did you expect, I'm a DK tank.=x
All of my indignant rage is for naught now!
He was chewing a taco while timetraveling. Old Gods started as breadcrumbs touched by his awesomeness. Then, they evolved.Ever wonder how the Old Gods came about?
Yeah, kinda Rhonin like that.
Then how do they rise, by themselves?None of the new players are rezzed by Val'Kyr.
Look up Dumass. He's kinda... well, disoriented. Darthalia said that the new Forsaken are mostly like that, and it takes time for them to acclimate (it will be supremely lawlable if he shows up somewhere in Twilight Highlands as a tactical genius or such). That's after the initial charm that makes them serve the task at hand.Whereas every npc rezzed by a Val'Kyr (short of Godfrey and his incredible hate... atta' boy) shows instant devotion to the Forsaken cause, immediately turning and attacking their allies just minutes ago.
The whole thing with a death knight of the Scourge just walking into Mord... Stormwind without being killed on spot (and only getting a couple of insults and rotten tomatoes along the way) just to deliver a "forgive-all-sins-for-free" letter from Tirion... seems kinda plot device-ish if you ask me. Now they couldn't hand out the new class to Horde only.And the argument that their allies would kill them in a heartbeat is faulty in how the Alliance employs Death Knights (UNDEAD) in their ranks, most noticeably Thasarrian.
Mine makes sense, too. Especially considering that no one cast "charm" on Godfrey when he was risen...This does not explain what happened to the Dalaran mages though, nor for the other newly raised Gilneans that fought for Sylvanas. Again, my theory concerning Godfrey is his overwhelming will overpowered said charm, which actually makes sense.
They didn't turn into anarchy (keeping monarchy), they hold respect for Terenas Menethil (as seen on his grave), they didn't disband their families, keeping to them instead, theySome indubitably do, just not enough to be represented in game. Mayhaps if they just became practitioners of the Shadow without becoming the polar opposites of their former selves in every other respect, I wouldn't see this as a flip-flop.
Summoning and doing stuff with elementals is a thing that a mage is quite capable of. If there are more things (like casting resto or druidic spells)... I need to see it.Again, where does it say that Forsaken cannot wield nature magics? (AHEM: Twilight Cultists)
Not entirely, with the first being possible and existing, and the elune orc... not existing at all. They are not forbidden to be "good" by alignment, they just choose not to (which, again, is not surprising, judging by their state).That it did... about as common as an Elune worshipping Orc.
I exaggerate but you get the point.
Then why stop and not kill the rest?Probably because the Forsaken have killed all the Humans in every other region of Lordaeron?
Also probably because in the first encounter between Humans and Forsaken, Sylvanas had all the Humans killed?
And I'm talking of those in the same Wrathgate cutscene that played /death animation the moment the barrels exploded. How long did that orc last? 5 seconds? 10? There were no survivors, no "decaying victims". Also, check the ally quest where they test the stolen sample of the plague on a vrykul. He just turns into slime instantly. As well as when an apothecary threw a bottle of it into her assistant when it failed to work on a captured Scarlet. Assistant turned a green puddle immediately.Yet in Wrathgate, those within the gas are clearly not dying instantly... rather slowly and painfully.
I'm talking about the Orc whose face was falling off amongst others who suffered.
Look up Nazi's views on Nietzsche, that's what I'm talking about. He disagreed with them on many points, but they as well took many points from his own books. Additional reason for his furious contempt towards them.Please, look up Nietzsche's views on the Nazis.
Self-perfection is doubtful without learning to adequately respond to aggression, and use aggression where necessary. It's like perfecting just 85% of one's self, leaving the rest ignored.Again, the bit concerning Nietzsche's view on an individual's suffering is in relation to how he sees the Uber Mensch as attainable via self-contempt and thereby a need to constantly improve ones' self.
Because everyone else and their alt shouts how violence is bad in any possible situation. I had to protect it. This doesn't make me a single-minded brute. I acknowledge the use of all the rest. It's just when everyone is ying and denounce yang, I come in to protect the yang and everyone brands me as an enemy of ying. Which I am not, I'm a man of balance and somewhat holism.Also, the strong support for eliminating threats via the use of force (even though in this specific example, it merely created a larger threat in retaliation).
I know it is rarely the most rational option. But should you be a helpless lamb if this one out of ten actually arises?Nietzsche himself recognized that force (physical violence) is a piss-poor tool in getting what one wants nine times out of ten.
Everything is never your fault. And there are things that fit the definition of impossible. But that's just my opinion. No one can control the entirety of his environment and know the outcome of everything, even his own actions. As dr. House said, "Everyone doesn't get what they deserve. Everyone gets random things". I tend to agree with it. Life may fuck you up despite your best efforts, and may grant you winning a lottery.My brother went through a similar transformation, though in a very different way. I also went through said "transformation", but nowhere near as bitterly as you two appear to have, and with far more focus on the fact that Everything is my fault... that nothing is impossible.
Then I'd just have to show how much of a cornered rabid dog I can be, it's simple. As I said, they'd have to weigh the expense and possible gain from picking on me again. Expense - beaten faces and inability to go somewhere alone without being afraid of being hit on the back of the head. Gain - ???.The difference being that said individuals were not a gang and would not come back for vengeance.