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  1. #161
    Moira Bronzebeard reminds me more and more on Cersei Lannister.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Jekyll View Post
    because she is the daughter of the king?
    Somehow I doubt the traitorous heir of a king would retain succesor rights. She DID betray Ironforge to the dark iron dwarves.

    No ideea how the hell did she come back to Ironforge and didn't get arrested on sight.
    Varian has the right ideea about wanting her dead.

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    The rightful heir is Moira's son Dagran II. The Council of Three Hammers is more a regency in which they will rule until he comes of age to take the throne proper. I'd imagine that because the Dwarven clans are now all united after the Blood in the Snow scenario that there will be little to no qualms about this happening. But it will be a while!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chomag7 View Post
    Somehow I doubt the traitorous heir of a king would retain succesor rights. She DID betray Ironforge to the dark iron dwarves.

    No ideea how the hell did she come back to Ironforge and didn't get arrested on sight.
    Varian has the right ideea about wanting her dead.
    This was covered in the novel The Shattering. Magni never disowned her or made her abandon her rights to succession because he always hoped she would return to Ironforge.

    When she returned, she was so used to the traditional dwarven mindset that her father espoused (a mindset the Dark Irons abandoned and even Magni abandoned after Moira left) that she immediately put Ironforge on lockdown and tried to knuckle the dwarves into place. Even Anduin, while held hostage, admits she had good ideas but horrible execution--that and avoiding a bloody civil war are why he stops Varian from killing her. Technically-speaking, she didn't betray Ironforge to the Dark Irons, she shacked up with the Dark Irons because they gave her the one thing her own father never did: respect. And when she returned, she wanted to unite the two kingdoms into one united front for her son.

    The Council is basically there to teach her how to rule and also shows the three dwarven 'clans' united under one banner for the first time in ages. That's actually a really big thing considering the way things were even a half-decade ago in-lore. The Dark Irons were hostile and the Wildhammers and Bronzebeards basically just kinda tolerated each other, with the Bronzebeards seeing the Wildhammers as savages and the Wildhammers seeing the Bronzebeards as uptight. Now they're all fighting under the same banner, and when Varian sounded the call to arms, Moira was the only one who answered because she wanted to prove her change of heart was genuine and she was committed to the Council and the Alliance.

    So all told, Varian had the wrong idea. If he went through with his assassination, he would have further alienated his son, he would have alienated the dwarves after pushing them into a bloody civil war, and he could have alienated his allies because of the public assassination (a crowd had gathered around them as he prepared to kill her on the street). Instead, he stayed his hand and Ironforge is stronger than ever, with the three main dwarven branches united once again.

    Awesome sig by Elyaan is awesome.

  5. #165
    Muradin would be next in line if Magni had never taken the throne. Since Magni took the throne, his successor is next of kin; That being Moira.

    Of course, Moira representing the Dark Irons and all, the other dwarf clans weren't having that. So the Dark Irons charged in and tried to take Ironforge by force.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If a building's about to collapse, you can debate whether it's better to demolish it or repair it, and you can make political-agenda arguments either way. Disputing gravity itself to claim it won't fall down is not a political position, it's just ignorance.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by taran111 View Post
    All these points are moot because im pretty damn sure I killed that bitch a thousand times over starting 5 years ago.
    there was a quest to save her, and i did that quest once as a horde player.
    after quest was done, lot of bla bla bla. her son would be king of the iron dwarfes

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryquis View Post
    L2 Hierarchy, royal line in most historical cases is the continuous family of the firstborn male child, with regents (normally an uncle or something) if the next in line is a) too young or b) nonexistant. If blizz was faithful to the system, we would have a dark iron king, for the only daughter would take the throne and her husband would become king, but a dark iron king would probably cause massive qq among the lore junkies, so instead we have arrived at a council with a regent.
    Except that we killed the Dark Iron King.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Totle View Post
    Except that we killed the Dark Iron King.
    This. Magni was still around until Thaurissan's death. Moira has no husband, and from the looks of it doesn't plan to get one again. She would be Queen of Ironforge until her death, and then her mix-breed Bronzebeard-Dark Iron son would be King.
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If a building's about to collapse, you can debate whether it's better to demolish it or repair it, and you can make political-agenda arguments either way. Disputing gravity itself to claim it won't fall down is not a political position, it's just ignorance.

  9. #169
    Its unfortunate the last of the old old Anvilmar bloodline (anvilmar's ancestor being the ruler of all clans under one banner) isnt interested in taking any sort of pledge for the title.

    He's more of a warrior though and probably would hate being in a stuffy throne room. Hope they do something with anvilmar in the future. He's a pretty epic character
    Last edited by Tenjen; 2013-12-24 at 06:32 PM.

  10. #170
    Holy 3 year necro Batman!

    Anything posted after Kelthos's necro, when quoting something prior to his post, is moot and not entirely relevant to the original discussion, as this was all prior to Cataclysm's release and questioning the "new" rulership of Ironforge with the Council of 3 Hammers.

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