1 vs 1 is not balanced for most classes. Healer vs damage is an even more un-balanced fight. The healer is meant to heal, so ofc the damage wont be very good. In the same way a damage dealer is not meant to heal, so the healing wont be that high (if any at all). Some classes can damage and heal, but those heals are not very strong, but enough to keep them alive if they face a pure healer. In this way, a damage-dealer with healing abilities will usually kill a healer, while a good healer can kill someone slowly who cannot self-heal. Do you think it would be fair if you, as a healer could kill a damage dealer? If you answer yes, then tell me who would even want to play a damage dealer?
Right. Because a healer should be able to compete with the damage of a DPS spec. That would be fair. /sarcasm
Give up the shockadin thing, it'll never happen. If you want Paladin DPS, spec Ret.
Dunno about Unholy DKs, but Affliction Warlocks have their healing nerfed by a lot in Cataclysm. Check out their Soul Siphon talent changes.
These days? Been around for years. And its meaning is perfectly fine: gross, obnoxious thing that contributes nothing to society. Sounds like a stereotypical troll (as in, not the WoW brand) to me.
Pure troll.
hav u try to kill a ench shammy in beta ??? his nuke is insane ...not only the ench - elemental too !! the point is not that i lost the point was that my holy shock does 4 k dmg and my exorsism was nerf again ...i know is beta ...but with this number holy pala offencing spell are pathetic.
a good disc priest , resto druid , resto dmg can output decend dmg which its enough to kill anyone. holy pala its just cant ...dps self heal is more from our dps
and sry for my bad english
He's not a troll. Stupid maybe, yes.
Most dps classes needed the odd healing talent even if it was miniscule, do you know how depressing grinding and eating after 4-5 mobs is?..as for your holy paladin argument.. stun w/e is attacking you, run off.. DUAAAALSPEC ret then hit them with a hammer.
Don't expect to kill things as holy, Dps have crappy healing abilities, Healers have crappy damaging abilities, thats just how things are.
Well, a couple of days i went to skirmish as unholy DK(251-270 pvp gear)+Bryntroll 264. It was late, so i was alone, and at opposite side was also 1 player, who happened to be a disc priest. We were fighting for like 5 minutes, then the priest left, because it was a draw, and no one could kill each other. And then i looked at healing/damage done. The priest did nearly 65% of the damage done by me.
Why paladins can't do similar amounts of damage? Both are healing classes. And STFu about HPal survivability and utility, disc priest has lots of utility, and is hard to kill.
Sorry to disappoint, but enh is great in duels againt healers. Purge spam+short cooldown interrupt+self heal(so healers can't outlast). Of course they are weak in any other area of pvp, but in duels against healers they are godly.
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Holy Paladins ARE NOT resto druids, nor are we resto shamans. We are as far apart from disc priests as we can be. In fact, they are our counterclass.
Holy palas aren't mean't to kill things. I don't want to list things what holy palas have over other healing specs just to make this thread into a "but my spec has <XY> to counter your skill and the other healing spec has way more <AB> than HoPas".
The only healing spec that I would consider superior in Arena is the resto-druid - and NOT for his damage but his versatility. Shapshifting, healing with hots, stealth, CYCLONE, roots. Everything for it's own isn't OP, the combination is.#
Edit: typoz, lots of
druid and shammy are casters ?? ONLY ??
WHAT ABOUT ...ech and feral are casters too ??? they are meleeeeeee WITH HEALING
and retri is totally nerf in cata ...
A def warri can creep and lvl as good as any fury or Ms warri. they are even better than the others in PVP till they reach max lvl.
so holy palas should also be able to deal as much dmg as rets and prot palas while they lvl.
A holy should be able to use his mana and GCD to deal dmg OR heal. sure, dmg should be less bursty and not 100% of the ret dmg, but there should be some kind of dmg that scratches the enemy.
If you would be a warrior or priest you would know that a MS alone doesnt kill a disc preist.
he has still his dmg reductions and shield that doesnt get effected by MS.
And in Cata every healer and tank class can deal a good amount of dmg (even very high while lvling) but holy palas cant ATM.
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Emh, not to start anything... But is there ANY class that cant self heal at Cata? ._.'
And to be frank, Im holy pala that was questing in pve healing gear and all that, randomly got attacked by a roughly equalled geard DK. We fight for couple of minutes. I dont die, Im healer ofc, he dont die, he got those self-healing abilities.
Yet I managed to kill him. Get his health to 50% before he us any self-healing, use capow HoJ, pop all CD´s and frankly nuke him down with a HS. Not impossible.
But then again, no one of us had pvp gear (Not me at least), would probably not work in PvP very well, and ofc, have no idea how it will work in Cata. :'3
Wait , did you also do autohit on him ? ret gets alot of dmg out of white hits , i bet you didnt autohit on the "ech" shamy did you ? That is your flaw ... learn to play holy dps :O
Yeah i did feed the troll
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Long live Garona Halforcen ! Cheers to Odexy for the Sig !
ret can hardly kill anyone, why should holy?