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    Live:
    Pyromaniac: 3% All
    Critical Mass: 6% Fire
    Imp. Scorch: 3% (Fireball, Scorch, FFB)
    World in Flames: 6% (LB, Pyro)

    PTR:
    Piercing Ice: 3% All

    So really, you'll be making up for Pyromaniac with Piercing Ice, but you'll lose the Imp. Scorch bonus to Fireball and the World in Flames bonus to LB and Pyro. So overall, you come out 9% behind on Fireball and 12% behind on LB and Pyro.

    IMO, they should replace Burning Soul with a +crit talent and make Piercing Ice a +damage talent. This lets frost choose to move away from the +crit talent when they start to soft cap out on crit around 33.33%. Of course, for that to work, we'd need to actually have tier 2 talents that are interesting to cross-specs in PvE. Right now, all PvE specs are going to be 31/5/5 give or take a few points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirewolfX View Post
    Live:
    Pyromaniac: 3% All
    Critical Mass: 6% Fire
    Imp. Scorch: 3% (Fireball, Scorch, FFB)
    World in Flames: 6% (LB, Pyro)

    PTR:
    Piercing Ice: 3% All

    So really, you'll be making up for Pyromaniac with Piercing Ice, but you'll lose the Imp. Scorch bonus to Fireball and the World in Flames bonus to LB and Pyro. So overall, you come out 9% behind on Fireball and 12% behind on LB and Pyro.

    IMO, they should replace Burning Soul with a +crit talent and make Piercing Ice a +damage talent. This lets frost choose to move away from the +crit talent when they start to soft cap out on crit around 33.33%. Of course, for that to work, we'd need to actually have tier 2 talents that are interesting to cross-specs in PvE. Right now, all PvE specs are going to be 31/5/5 give or take a few points.
    Forgot to mention that Critical Mass gives your scorch and pyroblast a 100% chance to apply a 5% crit debuff, also Glyph of Pyroblast which is a Prime Glyph gives you 5% crit on Pyroblast as well.

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    Critical mass does not stack with Live's Improved Shadowbolt/Winter's Chill/Improved Scorch, so it's already accounted for.

    Glyph of Pyroblast I didn't account for, so only a 7% loss on Pyroblast.

    Good news is that Hot Streak has a random chance to proc on any crit (and a guaranteed chance to proc on back-to-back crits), so we're not totally screwed.

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    I'm pretty sure losses in stats all across the board were intentional. The way we were going we'd end up with 100% crit before hitting Skywall.

    Why can't we just admit it? We won't stop until the blood is flowing.

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    *facepalm*

    Ratings are going to scale drastically from 80-85. You can't compare 4.0 LK raiding at 80 with gear and stats at 85.

    Anyway, ultimately, I wouldn't be concerned about losing some crit. We gain so much more damage from other sources and due to the new hot streak mechanic (it randomly procs on any crit in addition to its current behavior), we should still be fine in the DPS department (actually, most tests show us gaining some massive DPS).

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