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  1. #21
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    Mate.. this is from a raider that cleared everything during the past 5 years..
    Its not about trolling, or rant.. Problem with the wow community is people that
    come up with the most crazy ideas and decide to implement them in forums.

    Again, i am not challenging you or anything.. The difference between me, us and you
    is that we are in guilds, that are top-server guilds. We need the stones, we need the
    warlocks so that we can get all the people in, clear trash, kill the "easy" bosses
    so we can progress. If u are doing pugs which u are it seems, dont blame blizzard,
    or demand to remove the stones, just so u can "force" people to be there.

    Cause they wont, they are so lazy that they would rather leave the raid group than move
    to the instance.. Same here.. we are dueling durotar, and we wait he locks to move in and summon
    with the guild manager.. ( Note we aint casual and all above 6.2k gs )

  2. #22
    This is how I would like it: Remove random heroics. Bring back daily heroics. People have to go to a dungeon meeting stone to queue up in LFD for that dungeon.

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    Yeah, and why not remove mounts too while were at it! It fixes lazyness because ppl have to walk all the way to the raid!


    No, srsly. Thats the most ridiculous idea ive ever head, thanks for the laugh!

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    remove yourself from this game

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    Or, make the requirement of people at the meeting stone like 10, not 2. I also really dislike the easiness of teleportation in wow.

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    Why hasn't this thread died yet?

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    you are pretty much mistaken - blizzard is going with a more casual game, not a hardcore one/

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    So by your definition... Inconvenient and time consuming = hardcore?
    it's not. but.. you are one of the problems the OP has in target. please tell me, who in your raid has the inconvenient and time consuming duty to fly to the port stone or instance, to port your lazy ass with meeting stones and warlock portals?! the "problem" are always the people who rely on others to get the job done.

    edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by teo1234 View Post
    Wooooow i have to waste 10 more minutes to get to my instance that's so hardcore!
    Let's have a /slityourveins next that'd realy be hardcore!
    you see?!
    Last edited by brirrspliff; 2010-09-18 at 12:09 PM.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Thyce View Post
    Looks like it, but the LFD System especially has taken the "World" out of World of Warcraft. My friend leveled a Paladin from 15-80 without leaving Orgrimmar. And even at 80, can be summoned anywhere. I mean, you might as well remove all the landscape, and just put an entrance to every dungeon in Dalaran.
    That's pretty much your friends choice. If he wish to see the entire world then he can easily choose so, nobody stops him. But if he doesn't then he ofc just use the dungeon finder. It's a choice to make. I myself is freaking bored of going through every zone on my alts, it tires me up now as I have seen everything 10 times.
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  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhetyo View Post
    I really hope Blizzard can remove the Meeting Stones and the Warlock Summon spell. And here's my reasons for that:

    -It fixes laziness: People who really want to do the raid or instance, have to get there themselves. As soon as you are invited, you should start making your way there, and not lurk in a city, where you most likely saw the guy spamming trade for that ICC raid...

    -Symbolizes the return of hardcore: Blizzard have hinted towards are more hardcore friendly game in the entire beta. The boss encounters are harder, more sophisticated mechanics and it takes longer to complete the dungeon. Why not remove any carebear way of getting there? It seems like a false safety if you can get there with no effort and then get hammered by the encounters.

    -Sufficient Lore reasons: Deathwing's return shattered the ley lines of the summoning stones to a point of no use. Warlocks can not create the Summoning Stones as well because they operated on the same ley lines.

    -Exploration: If you have to fly to the encounter, you get to see more of the world. And while you fly, you can alt-tab and look up some strategies on the encounter.
    meeting stones where in vanilla and they helped you find members for the instance

    the words you're looking for are ''Summoning Stones''

    And no,with the LFG and insta-tele to the instance it would discourage people into not pugging

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    well meeting stones might stay in game but they should be used to Q up for dungeon and only for one it is standing by.

    Warlock summons are fine or it wuld be GG if you needed to replice someone but this LFG tool is just lame..

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    I have to agree with almost everyone else in that the Meeting Stones and LFD button are awesome addition to WoW. I full-on love not needing to use the LFG channel and having groups assembled automatically, and without spending time travelling to the instance. It doesn't ruin the game anymore than flying spaceships with aliens did.

    Without sounding too cliché, I used to raid pre-meeting stones, back when Molten Core was the only hardcore dungeon (before BWL) and it took around 30 minutes just to arrange getting into the instance itself. Then you'd spend another 4 hours in there. Sure it felt 'hardcore' but it just wasn't fun after the first run. Plus warlocks weren't entirely the happiest of people, being used as a free teleport.

    WoW always has been aimed at being more casual than most MMO's, hence the no EXP loss on death etc. Removing something to make the game feel more 'hardcore' is absurd, especially when casual players like myself that use LFD/Meeting Stones feel they're a very welcome addition to the game, as it puts the focus on actually enjoying the dungeon instead of wasting the 1 hour of play time we have getting there.


    Quote Originally Posted by pateuvasiliu View Post
    meeting stones where in vanilla and they helped you find members for the instance

    the words you're looking for are ''Summoning Stones''
    Meeting/Summoning stones are the same as far as I recall, and they came out half-way through vanilla. They weren't around on release which caused warlocks to be used and brought along to instances for one reason, which they didn't entirely enjoy. Summoning 20 people for an instance through one warlock with 3 people helping was an awful waste of time.
    Last edited by thisisapen; 2010-09-18 at 12:15 PM.

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    All I know is that Naxx 25 would've been a pain for pugs back in 3.0 without warlocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by brirrspliff View Post
    it's not. but.. you are one of the problems the OP has in target. please tell me, who in your raid has the inconvenient and time consuming duty to fly to the port stone or instance, to port your lazy ass with meeting stones and warlock portals?! the "problem" are always the people who rely on others to get the job done.
    You have no idea what my habits are regarding how I get to my raids, so your little assumptions about me are invalid. Fact remains they were put into the game to ease some convenience into getting everybody to it in a timely manner.

    Half your raid is in Orgrimmar without their Hearthstone available. Are you supposed to wait for them to either 1. Wait for their HS to come off C/D or 2. Wait for them to go to the zep to Borean Tundra and fly ALL the way to Toc10 where you are waiting helplessly?

    Removing these stones is not going to change the "OPs target people's" attitude and laziness. They have always been, and always will be, lazy.

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    I suggest we remove mounts, and instead opt to use a similiar system. Because of the cataclysm, every single character starts out with a broken spine, and so is completely paralyzed from the waist down. This means you need to get by with only your arms for movement, reducing movement speed by 90% of normal running speed. At 60, you can pay a fee of 5000 gold for a bitchin' Drek'thar brand wheelchair, increasing your speed to 50% of normal running speed.

    Oh yeah, and they should rework all the terrain so you're always going uphill. Always.

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    Original Poster is a leetard. Summoning stones are actually useful other than lazy people. OH and im one of those people who actually fly and go to the raid area myself if no one summons me jerkface. So F off

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    Oh I know a way to make it even more hardcore-friendly! Let's remove all hearthing capabilities! No hearthstone, no astral recall, no mage ports, no scroll of recall, no Kirin Tor rings! And hey, we all know the REAL hardcore players travel everywhere by foot! Let's remove all ground mounts and all flying mounts too! Get your character into shape by making him/her run everywhere!

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    My guild just docks 250 dkp if we have to summon you to the raid because if you haven't finished what you were doing come raid time you deserve to lose out. Since we get 25 dkp per boss everyone is always on time. The only time we summon is when we switch people in from the waitlist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Troll Rogue View Post
    My guild just docks 250 dkp if we have to summon you to the raid because if you haven't finished what you were doing come raid time you deserve to lose out. Since we get 25 dkp per boss everyone is always on time. The only time we summon is when we switch people in from the waitlist.

    Damn 250 for being tardy when each boss only gives 25? Ladies and gentlemen... THAT'S HARD-CORE

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