Enchanters Have Kids to Feed

[Roose]

I am somewhat concerned about my future earnings as an enchanter in Cataclysm. One of the primary benefits of being an enchanter has always been being able to disenchant and produce enchanting mats from otherwise vendored items. The fact that only enchanters could DE items gave the profession some control over the enchanting mats market. Now everything dropped in dungeons can be DEd just because an enchanter is in the party.

Yes, I typically DEd the blues and purps dropped during runs(for friends), rarely greens(unless asked), but now shards are worth less than the gear to be DEd. They were already cheaper than BC b/c heroics are a joke. Shards have been hanging around 5g simply because they can't really go any lower w/o being obvious net losses. However, we have seen inflation in LK. 100 gold ain't what it used to be.

No other profession is made to share the benefits of their profession with the group. I do not see the group rolling for herbs and ore that are obtained in instances. Why should enchanters be forced to share the benefits of their profession?

No profession should be made to perform their services w/o compensation. Of course it ain't the end of the world, but it does translate to the loss of fake gold.

Comment about socialism!

[huangzhong9]

But everything else enchanting does is always needed. as long as people are still getting upgrades you will be able to sell enchanted scrolls.

[Jinchuu]

im a enchanter myself and ill be happy with the current situation if i was able to roll on ores, skins, herbs of other ppl in the same dungeon

[Team Frosty]

I'm glad inscriptionists don't make stupid money anymore. 70g for a piece of paper that costs 1g? YAAA no thanks.

Enchanters will still be fine - just put the best weapon enchant on AH for 400g, people will buy them.

If only jewelcrafters got justice.

[Roose]

I'm glad inscriptionists don't make stupid money anymore. 70g for a piece of paper that costs 1g? YAAA no thanks.

Enchanters will still be fine - just put the best weapon enchant on AH for 400g, people will buy them.
If only jewelcrafters got justice.

The perception that a professions final product should only be the current price of mats is flawed. Almost all professions cost a ton of gold and time to level. I do not go to JCs and expect them to cut gems for free just b/c it does not cost them anything to click a button.

People do not seem to understand that when the price of mats are driven down so too are the prices of enchants overall.

[drulz]

Make enchant scrolls, sell enchant scrolls on auction for 10x the material cost. Use 1/10th of the selling price to buy more cheap enchanting mats and repeat the cycle until you are sick of pulling in large amounts of gold. Where is the problem?

[Ciah]

Make enchant scrolls, sell enchant scrolls on auction for 10x the material cost. Use 1/10th of the selling price to buy more cheap enchanting mats and repeat the cycle until you are sick of pulling in large amounts of gold. Where is the problem?

The problem is that nobody buys scrolls because they get all the mats they need because the game hands em out in randoms despite enchanters not wanting to.

[Roose]

Make enchant scrolls, sell enchant scrolls on auction for 10x the material cost. Use 1/10th of the selling price to buy more cheap enchanting mats and repeat the cycle until you are sick of pulling in large amounts of gold. Where is the problem?

Come back and re-post after you have passed econ-101

[terrih91]

No other profession is made to share the benefits of their profession with the group. I do not see the group rolling for herbs and ore that are obtained in instances. Why should enchanters be forced to share the benefits of their profession?

No profession should be made to perform their services w/o compensation. Of course it ain't the end of the world, but it does translate to the loss of fake gold.

Comment about socialism!

erm first off im a herbalist and try doing freyas room in a pug with other herbalists u roll on everything. as far as reg heroics ive seen a few herbs in some places and if there is another herbalist there we normally roll. same for my miner alt. now i see your point because im not an enchanter and i get to roll on the mat because you are there. the way they can fix this is allow the enchanter and any other enchanter in the group to roll not the nons. that would be a quick fix and make it sou you control the market. because miners and herbalists mainly controll theirs if they famr enough. im not going against you im just proving your point but you are wrong in that we dont roll when in fact we do.

[Cactrot]

Oh goodie, this thread again. You should've used search, this has been discussed a billion times before.

Whaa engis can't really make money either.
Herbalists/miners are their own profession, enchanting is not. It is 2 professions in 1, you just lost the greedy part of one of them.
If there is no herbalist there herbs (the actual loot, not the node) never appear. They essentially do not exist without an herbalist. Without an enchanter, the item still exists. That's why you don't /roll for shards. Any claim that enchanters should automatically get shards is greedy or plain trolling. I've seen that claim made too many times.

And finally, this was a necessary "evil" for the sake of the LFD system. It makes it much smoother and simpler. It's not going away. It was not an unreasonable cost for the system. Get over it.

You're months behind. I hope I pointed everything important out so this thread can die.

I'm an enchanter (x3) and I approve of this message.

[fawlty]

I want to be the only one with gold. I am so greedy. Where is my mommy?

get a life. That's the problem with the community now.

[Caddo]

Well, lets go with this.
1) If you're using the random dungeon group, there's a good chance you won't have anyone from your server, but sometimes you will.
2) You don't deserve ~all~ the item's that get DE'd, so if someone wins it and get it DE'd, does it really hurt you that bad?
3) It helps out people in the long run, so I honestly don't see an issue. If your server has horrible enchanting mats, blame the overstock of people, not the DE from dungeons, like stated in 1), how often do you get in a random dungeon with someone on the same server?

[Ach]

The change definitely had an impact on the enchanting mats market, but it hasn't affected my profitability as an enchanter at all. While the selling price of the scrolls on the AH has dropped because of the large availability of mats from the auto DE button in instances, the increased supply has lowered my cost of acquiring the mats to produce the scrolls. I most certainly don't run instances for mats, I just buy them off the AH, then craft and sell. So my profit is roughly the same as before. As for the little teeny bit of LFW I do in trade, well, people certainly don't tip any less because of the drop in mat costs, so in that respect, I'm making a better profit margin versus the overall value of the enchant.

Of course, if I was in the business of selling enchanting mats, I would have hated the change, but if you're an enchanter just to sell the mats, you're leaving a ton of gold on the table and are essentially just a gatherer in a very lucrative crafting profession.

As to the enchanters having to 'work' in instances for free, well, that does seem unfair at first, but miners and herbalists don't get ore and herbs from completing quests! We get mats for our profession from all the useless quest rewards from questing. We don't have to go out of our way to farm nodes in a large circle around the map. Also, since you're an enchanter, you'll get the opportunity to win the mats 100% of the time, whereas, others won't because there's not alway an enchanter in the group, which means, we still have an edge on everyone else for mats. And when you're not on your enchanter, sometimes other enchanters will have to work for you for free, then you can just send those mats to your enchanter for crafting.

Cataclysm will be an outstanding gold making environment for enchanters.

[drulz]

Come back and re-post after you have passed econ-101

How about you come back and repost after you learn how to adapt your profession to changes in the market. My gold making skyrocketed after the disenchant option became available because everyone was selling the mats that they didn't need and with tons more mats available, the prices bottomed out. I just make enchant scrolls and multiply the gold I have invested. Its not hard.

[Xeones]

Basically you are crying that you can't totally exploit the market and make many times more money by disenchanting than a person could make through all the other professions combined?

Enchanting is now balanced income wise, enchants were simply not obtainable by most people before this change. Were it not for guild supplys keeping gear fully enchanted was near impossible.

[Kama]

I/m pretty sure that the what is meant is that the others when they roll need, the enchanter gets to roll DE(same as a greed) so if they get it its auto sharded for them, the others still have the same chance to get the gear though to vendor for gold(greed).

[kaijyuu]

Blizz won't fix every tradeskill to be economically viable. Even if they did, there's no way they'd balance them to be equally so. If you want money, switch to a more lucrative profession. Otherwise, be an enchanter to be an enchanter.

[Nikoll]

Yeah, the change didn't hurt scroll costs at all. They still sell amazng. You know what s killing scroll sales? Cata. Berserking scrolls on my server are down to 380g, mat cost via buying them on the ah is about 430g. Everyone is trying to move their shit fast.

[Worshaka]

But everything else enchanting does is always needed. as long as people are still getting upgrades you will be able to sell enchanted scrolls.

Not really, there is a trend in wow that everyone sources their own enchant mats (particularly now for the reasons the OP outlines) and gets the enchant done by an enchanter. The demand for enchant scrolls is low and tends to only apply to extremely rare enchants that are only ever rare early on and requries the enchanter to get lucky with an RNG drop in some raid.

The only thing i'd say is not every profession needs to be profitable. However it might be nice to get something that earn a bit of gold for. I made something in the vicinity of 100K gold with glyphs early on and now make quite a bit with gems, I think i'd be lucky to have made 5K with enchanting.

[Static X]

Well, lets go with this.
1) If you're using the random dungeon group, there's a good chance you won't have anyone from your server, but sometimes you will.
2) You don't deserve ~all~ the item's that get DE'd, so if someone wins it and get it DE'd, does it really hurt you that bad?
3) It helps out people in the long run, so I honestly don't see an issue. If your server has horrible enchanting mats, blame the overstock of people, not the DE from dungeons, like stated in 1), how often do you get in a random dungeon with someone on the same server?

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