Enchanters Have Kids to Feed

[Deleted]

The intention was always to be able to provide mats for my own enchants, DE BoEs from other toons, and sell mats.

You talk as though this change has stopped you being able to do that, this of course is not the case.

while your enchanter "friend" gets the gimped end of the deal.

Enchanters have never and will never have the gimped end of the deal, enchanting has always been one of the, if not the, biggest roll over professions, the amount of gold you make on raw materials vs enchanted scrolls is extortionate at the best of times. And again, those materials that the players are putting up on the AH, the ones that they get from disenchanting the greens from dungeons, only increases the amount of profit you make per scroll.

You (or I should say we) have not got been gimped in any way, what it comes down to is people being some what selfish. I am not going to say whether I deem this a good thing or bad thing, but it is the case. The only thing that has happened is that the raw materials on the AH have dropped in value, this not only makes it cheaper to level enchanting but it also opens up the option of larger mark ups on scrolls. If you were ever half decent at using your profession you should be making as much if not more gold that you were previously.

[Eroginous]

Using that logic, mining, skinning, and herbalism mats are useful for everyone.

However, this isn't a free market by any means. If a monopoly on force (Blizzard= total control) imposes a rule, (DE, gold, etc.) it is not a free market.

It's a "free market" within the scope of a regulated game.

So it's a regulated market.

No, it is still a free market. You can buy/sell anything that is available for any price you want, any time you want to. Blizzard does not regulate anything, not even on the AH. Sure, there is an AH cut, but that isn't something that stops you from selling things.

In essence, free market means that you are at liberty to buy/sell at will, and you are. You run a heroic, you end up winning the DE roll on an abyss crystal, dream shard, couple cosmics, and half a stack of infinite dust. There is no rule in the game that says you have to sell them for a certain price at a certain time to a certain guy. You can destroy them, use them for your own enchant, give them away, put them up on the AH for an insanely low/high price, and nothing in the game will ever prevent you from doing those things.

Free Market.

[zdude]

I am on a high pop server and there is absolutely no money in enchanting. High end scrolls just dont sell, you can pick up a blade ward scroll on a good day for 50g. There are a constant stream of people levelling thier chanting spamming trade, offering to pay people to chant their items, as long as they provide the mats, to achieve their last few chanting points. Most chanters just level up through scrolls and sell them off for bargain basement prices, as there are so many already on the ah.

As previously mentioned, I like the dungeon de mechanic, as i dont have to worry about deing in the end. But on some realms it has completely destroyed any potential for profit. I only keep it for the guild.

[Lacker]

Every consumable profession is vulnerable to idiots who depress the market. Instead of orderly competition they'll just slash everything by 50% to spurn everyone. Creating a new floor under the market that can last for days. Especially as people these days dump their entire stock in anticipation of cata. Inscription, alch, enchanting, and jewelcrafting fall victim to these fairly easily. The item based professions have higher investment requirements thus when people cut to/below margin cost there they tend to realize they made very little for doing much work, and stop doing so.

[Fenixhart]

I'm glad inscriptionists don't make stupid money anymore. 70g for a piece of paper that costs 1g? YAAA no thanks.

Enchanters will still be fine - just put the best weapon enchant on AH for 400g, people will buy them.

If only jewelcrafters got justice.

...Did you just complain about Scribes when you are asking for JEWELCRAFTING justice?

What are you smoking and where can I have some?

[Unferth]

I am somewhat concerned about my future earnings as an enchanter in Cataclysm. One of the primary benefits of being an enchanter has always been being able to disenchant and produce enchanting mats from otherwise vendored items. The fact that only enchanters could DE items gave the profession some control over the enchanting mats market. Now everything dropped in dungeons can be DEd just because an enchanter is in the party.

Yes, I typically DEd the blues and purps dropped during runs(for friends), rarely greens(unless asked), but now shards are worth less than the gear to be DEd. They were already cheaper than BC b/c heroics are a joke. Shards have been hanging around 5g simply because they can't really go any lower w/o being obvious net losses. However, we have seen inflation in LK. 100 gold ain't what it used to be.

No other profession is made to share the benefits of their profession with the group. I do not see the group rolling for herbs and ore that are obtained in instances. Why should enchanters be forced to share the benefits of their profession?

No profession should be made to perform their services w/o compensation. Of course it ain't the end of the world, but it does translate to the loss of fake gold.

Comment about socialism!

Shut up bro. I have an enchanter, I make tons of money selling scrolls. I QQ allot, and even I think this is bullshit QQ.

[Nikoll]

I am on a high pop server and there is absolutely no money in enchanting. High end scrolls just dont sell, you can pick up a blade ward scroll on a good day for 50g. There are a constant stream of people levelling thier chanting spamming trade, offering to pay people to chant their items, as long as they provide the mats, to achieve their last few chanting points. Most chanters just level up through scrolls and sell them off for bargain basement prices, as there are so many already on the ah.

As previously mentioned, I like the dungeon de mechanic, as i dont have to worry about deing in the end. But on some realms it has completely destroyed any potential for profit. I only keep it for the guild.

I find that hard to belive. I also am on a high pop horde server, and I can make a large amount selling scrolls. Some don't sell, some sell under mat cost, but many sell for a large markup. Spellpower to hands. There is one that I have made tens of thousands of gold from. Mat cost on any server is less than 10g, including the scroll, and you'd be hard pressed to find a server that it doesn't averge selling for over 20g. I probably averge selling it at about 60-70g per. The high end enchants aren't where the money is. Someone willing to put cruder on their gloves isn't visiting the ah for it. But someone putting the cheap one on their gloves is. You aret selling to the educated, the uneducated is your market. The fact that the server is high pop actually helps you sell. You miht make more per scroll on a low pop server, but you sell 2-3x as many on a huh pop, thus make more gold. It's more work, but more gain fir it.

[Stevoman]

...Did you just complain about Scribes when you are asking for JEWELCRAFTING justice?

What are you smoking and where can I have some?

Inscription can be leveled from 0-450 for less than 1kg, you can buy Books of Glyph Mastery and learn all the recipes in 1 day for around 500g, you can make hot-demand glyphs for about 2g each if you buy/mill in bulk, then turn around and sell those glyphs at 75g+. That's over 70g per sale, and you'll have a huge volume of sales on a raid night.

Compared that to JC: it costs well over 4kg to level 0-450, takes a few months of dailies to learn all recipes, you can sell a cut gem at roughly 25g profit, it takes well over 5kg of startup capital to do any significant amount of sales, and you'll only sell a few dozen or so gems on Tuesday nights given how late in the expansion we are.

It's a pretty well-known secret by all the gold-capped tycoon websites that inscription is THE single most profitable profession in this game. Why do you think all the scribes are crying their eyes out at the glyphs system changes in Cata?

[Whitehatter]

you can make a lot of money with enchanting and not even step into a dungeon

have any craft-able profession + enchanting ... so lets say jc and chanting

assuming u have both maxed out buy out all the eternal earths u can from the ah for a cheap as possible lets say 3g each ... mass craft [Stoneguard Band] ( 2 x eternal earth), then disenchant them .. u should have shit loads of mats and the stick them on the ah... ez money and little effort... to save money or the ah is empty you can always use your alts to mine ...

you don't have to use jc, any crafting profession will do, but the point is with professions there is always more than one way to make money if u rely on one way only then your reducing the amount of money u can make

done correctly professions are the money makers, its just a matter of common sense, bit of research and watching the AH... + with a craftable proffesion you can make money of that while your mats are selling .. ie cuting gems, prospecting ore for more craftables and gems etc

some professions are a pain to level and cost the earth but in the long its worth it... goto spend money to make money

from one band you can get up to like 6-7 infinite dust and the chance of 1-2 greater cosmic essence ... (depending on the server and time of the week) you can stick stacks of 20 dust for 31g and essences for like 150-200g .. so if from like spending 6g u can make ALOT... you can see the bigger picture.. the more you craft the more stacks you can put on the ah... or if u so wish you could make some scrolls as well... it all adds up but its up 2 you how you want to run things.

hope this helps

[Eroginous]

I am on a high pop server and there is absolutely no money in enchanting. High end scrolls just dont sell, you can pick up a blade ward scroll on a good day for 50g. There are a constant stream of people levelling thier chanting spamming trade, offering to pay people to chant their items, as long as they provide the mats, to achieve their last few chanting points. Most chanters just level up through scrolls and sell them off for bargain basement prices, as there are so many already on the ah.

As previously mentioned, I like the dungeon de mechanic, as i dont have to worry about deing in the end. But on some realms it has completely destroyed any potential for profit. I only keep it for the guild.

How many enchanting mats were available prior to the DE mechanic? How many enchanting mats were available after? Probably the same number.

The effect you are seeing, isn't because of the dungeon DE mechanic, roughly the same number of things are being DE'd now, as there were before. What you are seeing is the 'end of Xpac blues' where there is a surplus of enchanting mats (because everyone generally has their stuff enchanted already, and the demand for more enchants is low) combined with the fact that we are close to a new xpac, so people are intentionally selling their excess to save gold for cata.

The dungeon mechanic only allows players to get things DE'd without opening the trade window. That is it. If you don't have an enchanter in your dungeon group, you can't get anything DE'd. If someone wins the greed roll.... you can't get something DE'd. RNG decided what went to DE before, and does so now.

[skidmarksteve]

ahh i remember back to BC where a certain pally tank from my guild use to run a weekly Kara and DE all the epics and keep the shards, 1000g+ a week from one raid lol.

hmm probs should do a weekly nax on my mage...