elemental and spirit?

[aldar]

im very confused as the new ele pieces have 0 spirit are we just gonna roll with 0 hit or mp5. its most likely not finished but i was under the impression resto and ele were gonna wear the same gear almost. Is that still the plan or was it changed do we still need sprirt for hit rating?

[Shoo]

Where did you see that?
What I saw was eevn too much spirit on items and I think Ele will end up (again) having a hard time getting the right gear after being hit capped.

[aldar]

i think its just the tier 11 without spirit in that case it may be unfinished

[Taurentony]

Spirit is now a healer stat, why would you want it on your elemental pieces ?

[Socialhealer]

im very confused as the new ele pieces have 0 spirit are we just gonna roll with 0 hit or mp5. its most likely not finished but i was under the impression resto and ele were gonna wear the same gear almost. Is that still the plan or was it changed do we still need sprirt for hit rating?

have u seen every possible reputation reward items? they all have spirit, there isnt a single piece of caster mail without spirit.

i was massively relieved to see that tier doesnt have any spirit on it, because every mainhand/shield/belt/wrists/boots i have seen are stacked with spirit.

if there was spirit on tier i could easily have 3k spirit = lol fail i cant dps.

---------- Post added 2010-09-27 at 03:47 PM ----------

Spirit is now a healer stat, why would you want it on your elemental pieces ?

spirit = hit now, but hell i dont want every damn piece of my gear with spirit on it, whats the hit cap 5k for 85 i dont think so.

[rolfing shaman]

Spirit is now a healer stat, why would you want it on your elemental pieces ?

Are you joking come on spirit is the new hit rating for the elemental shamans

[Taurentony]

Are you joking come on spirit is the new hit rating for the elemental shamans

Must have missed that, my bad!

[aldar]

its not like sprirt is taking away from any other stat like haste, staking spirit wont force you to sacrifice mastery or anything like that. Also we dont know what the mana regen for ele will be like even with rolling thunder and i also remember reading the hit cap will go up for each progressive tier. The problem is its a little confusing either were gonna have and need spirit on our gear or its just gonna be useless i mean i dont wanna have to swap out tier pieces becuase my weapon and shield dont have enough spirit.

[Rehea]

Spirit is going from a 100% useless stat for elemental shaman, to something we are gonna need to gear for in cataclysm yes.

Elemental wont have any talent to increase hit rating in cataclysm, sum that to hit debuffs being removed and do the math yourself

Spirit will be superior to gemming hit rating aswell since hit rating is just hit while spirit turns into hit and increases mana regen by a small ammount. Myself already crafted Nightmare Tears and spell power/spirit leg enchants

[jobdone]

I think the main reason Elemental Precision was put in, so that if you are resto main spec and ele off, you can keep alot of the same gear without having to get lots of +hit gear when you switch specs.

[Trivial]

a) You can get hit/spirit with reforging.
b) Offset items are the ones shared by resto and elemental. I'm gonna go ahead and guess those items will have a lot of spirit in it.

[Radux]

In terms of the Elemental Tier 11, they can actually itemize that gear directly for the spec, rather than putting that piece of gear on the boss that only 1 spec will use.

Obviously if we have the opportunity to have no spirit (no hit) on a few pieces of gear, that's nice. I don't like the idea of having 100% spirit gear just to have to reforge the spirit into a useful stat because I'm way over the hit cap or something.

As far as mp5, that's gone. Spirit won't regen any mana in combat for Elemental what so ever. You have abilities and talents to help you keep your mana pool going strong. You need the Meditation ability (something healers get at level 10 for choosing to be a healer) to make Spirit regen mana in combat.

[aikouka]

It's most likely because while Blizzard homogenized your non-set armor pieces with resto shamans, they realize that you probably won't need spirit in every armor slot. Depending on the amount of spirit required (which I don't know what it is), you may only need a few non-set pieces with spirit and maybe a necklace/ring. Although, those non-armor pieces could have normal hit rating as well.

[Rehea]

even if you dont regen mana in combat from spirit id rather gem for a "stat" rather then a rating thats going to give the same benefit as the stat itself.

mana regen out of combat comes usefull at times too

[Taalyn]

What confuses me is that there is no spirit or hit rating on our T11 gear, but the Justice Point rewards are loaded with spirit and some with hit rating.

At level 85, it takes 102.446 hit rating to gain 1% hit. If we use every piece of Justice Point gear as well as the "healer" epics, we'll have ~18% hit (19% for draenei).

If we expect to wear tier pieces, there will be a lot of reforging.

[njdss4]

Elemental will once again get shafted on gear. With non-set epics, we'll be getting an insane amount of spirit (aka hit) on our gear and be forced into Reforging all of it to try and stay from grossly going over the hit cap and actually get the stats we need. If we get our full tier set, we'll end up dropping so far below the hit cap, because there is no hit OR spirit on ANY OF IT, that we'll be gemming every single socket with some form of hit/spirit. We'll be stuck in some weird in-between where we can't have our whole tier set for fear of losing too much spirit/hit. One step forward, two steps back. Thanks, Blizz.

[brokeasamug]

a) You can get hit/spirit with reforging.
b) Offset items are the ones shared by resto and elemental. I'm gonna go ahead and guess those items will have a lot of spirit in it.

This, Reforging will get you the needed spirit/hit in your gear if your missing it. As well as sharing gear....you don't want 5% crit chance for you Healing wave from resto gear? psssh I know I do. Seariously though, thats why they give us different TIER gear, so we can buff up our rotation spells and whatnot.

---------- Post added 2010-09-27 at 10:01 PM ----------

Elemental will once again get shafted on gear. With non-set epics, we'll be getting an insane amount of spirit (aka hit) on our gear and be forced into Reforging all of it to try and stay from grossly going over the hit cap and actually get the stats we need. If we get our full tier set, we'll end up dropping so far below the hit cap, because there is no hit OR spirit on ANY OF IT, that we'll be gemming every single socket with some form of hit/spirit. We'll be stuck in some weird in-between where we can't have our whole tier set for fear of losing too much spirit/hit. One step forward, two steps back. Thanks, Blizz.

Not true, just cuz our Tier sets don't have spirit or hit, you can reforge them with it. also...you have to think of the rest of our gear pieces...4 tier (who honestly takes the 5th piece) and 13 other slots with spirit / hit potential on them. Be happy that we actually get a conversion talent of some sort, cuz without it, that would be the real "Shafting" you talked about.

[Darcam]

What confuses me is that there is no spirit or hit rating on our T11 gear, but the Justice Point rewards are loaded with spirit and some with hit rating.

At level 85, it takes 102.446 hit rating to gain 1% hit. If we use every piece of Justice Point gear as well as the "healer" epics, we'll have ~18% hit (19% for draenei).

If we expect to wear tier pieces, there will be a lot of reforging.

I'm not sure how you arrive at those hit numbers (18%). I just added up the pieces from the frontpage:

	Hit/Spirit	
Head	0	EleT11
Neck	112	String of Beaded Bubbles
Should	0	EleT11
Back	127	Heavenly Breeze
Chest	228	RestoT11
Bracers		
Hands	0	EleT11
Belt	150	Belt of the Still Stream
Legs	0	EleT11
Feet	159	Boots of the Perilous Seas
Ring1	127	Twined Band of Flowers
Ring2	134	Vicious Gladiator's Band of Accuracy
Trinket1		
Trinket2		
Weapon	86	Modgud's Blade
Shield	112	Shield of the Mists
Relic	72	Relic of Eonar
		
	1307	
	1742	
	-435

As you mentioned the new hit rating conversion is 102 for 1%. We still aim for 17% (as I understand) thats 1742 hit rating. I took every piece with spirit on it - the caster version with hit if possible. I only took 4 EleT11 and one resto-off piece for the added spirit.

Yeah there are still a few blank spots and I didn't "gem" hit/spirit, I didnt reforge - but as you can see I'm still 4-ish% shy of the hit cap.

[Edit]I just re-read Rahdik post - and I guess we agree . The 18% is without the T11 gear... Oh well I guess I clarified it a bit[/Edit]