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    its funnyo so close to the release of 4.0.1 and we havent figured out the rotation yet lol

    imo why not do as we are nowday and when rip / TF come offat rougyl the same time then we combine them else we just clip it
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    0 Tiger's Fury + Rip + Rake
    15 Rake
    22-26 Rip downtime
    27 Tiger's Fury + Rip
    30 Rake (with Tiger's Fury)
    If you start TF at -5 that lines up your second rip with TF as well.

    That gets your first 2 rips with TF without any dead time.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Cortano View Post
    On raids with a haste buff, you could use shreds, but on PuGs you may have to use mangles for the combo point generation.
    Wrong. Haste buff given from other people doesn't effect energy regeneration. Only actual haste we get from trinket procs & gear & all that. Icy talons & the like will only reduce our melee attack speed. Only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kittyrawr View Post
    Wrong. Haste buff given from other people doesn't effect energy regeneration. Only actual haste we get from trinket procs & gear & all that. Icy talons & the like will only reduce our melee attack speed. Only.
    why the hell is that ? that just fail design imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    why the hell is that ? that just fail design imo
    because they give melee or spell haste, not haste rating. think of haste rating as the base stat, and it makes your autoattacks faster and your spells faster and your spell dots/hots faster and your gcd faster and your energy regenerate faster. things like imp icy talons would only give you melee haste in the same way that, say, imp moonkin form makes spirit give you spell damage instead of spell power.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyeranth View Post
    Why dont we just have thrall and Malfurion whip it out and someone can measure and then we can be done with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elunedra View Post
    why the hell is that ? that just fail design imo
    Because then Rogues and Ferals would be epic OP vs. everyone else. That would mean we would need an Unholy DK or a Enhancement Shaman at all times to be prime. It's not stupid design if you look at it from a balance standpoint. Everyone gets 20% haste. Not "Everyone gets 20% haste but rogues and ferals get more then everyone else from it." Does that seem smart? No.

  7. #67
    I am not certain that a straight Haste buff would specifically benefit a particular class. If the buff were still 10% but was an actual buff to Haste rather that melee Haste or spell Haste because Blizzard has attempted to balance the effects of Haste on all classes. Warlocks, Shadow Priests and Restoration Druids for example, increase the number of "ticks" per DoT (or HoT) with Haste while Ferals and Rogues have increased energy regeneration.

    On the other hand, Ghostcrawler specifically stated that they wanted to make Haste a more attractive trait. If a raid could bring any of four class specifications then the value of Haste gems, enchants and talents would be dramatically reduced.

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    Haste buff given from other people doesn't effect energy regeneration
    That's good to know. Disappointing. (although understandable)

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